Thursday, January 16, 2014

I must me making some progress

I must me making some progress


I go back to my apartment after a nice chest workout. I walk in and there is my roomates girlfriend, and another female friend. I havn't seen either of them in about a week. I walk in and they're both "OMG you look huge! What did you do?" then they had to have a touch of the arms and chest I don't think my roommate was too thrilled his GF was feeling me chest. I've been bulking and workout out hardcore. I'm at the strongest I've ever been and I'm loving it (not loving the gut from bulking though) Ok, I'm done.

if only your pecs were as big as your now massive epenis

ManinCamo I go back to my apartment after a nice chest workout. I walk in and there is my roomates girlfriend, and another female friend. I havn't seen either of them in about a week. I walk in and they're both "OMG you look huge! What did you do?" then they had to have a touch of the arms and chest I don't think my roommate was too thrilled his GF was feeling me chest. I've been bulking and workout out hardcore. I'm at the strongest I've ever been and I'm loving it (not loving the gut from bulking though) Ok, I'm done. imagine not seeing ppl for 9 months she was all over my cock

Peal if only your pecs were as big as your now massive epenis I know! e-penis is at least 12" today.

ManinCamo I know! e-penis is at least 12" today. glad to see someone taking jokes properly

ManinCamo I know! e-penis is at least 12" today.

sr20wop Sorry, I'm taken By a girl....

ManinCamo Sorry, I'm taken

sr20wop how you doin
































I must me making some progress

Ab help w/newcomer

Ab help w/newcomer


Ive just recently started lifting and brought back my running routine (going on 3 weeks of progress now). I was dormant from the health/fitness routine for about 2 years. Im naturally predisposed to being an athletically built guy, but it seems that even though im down to 166lbs, I cant get my abs back into the shape they once were. Here is a pic of what they look like now. They can be more defined if I flex, but in thier natural state they seem a bit flabby. Im eating about 3k cal per day, working out mildly and downing about 150g of protein. Im not looking to gain alot of muscle mass, but some gains are good. I havent been cutting at all. Is there a good way to get larger abs instead of just losing the weight around them to show them more? On to the pics number 1 show the place that has some def. and good strength (natrual state in pics) Number 2 show area that is flabby and soft. No matter how much I run or how many forms of situps I do, I cant get muscel to form there. Any thoughts?

your abs ahve fat over them, you want em to be more "defined" you are going to have to loose weight, wich is not gonna happen on 3k cals a day.

vettedude your abs ahve fat over them, you want em to be more "defined" you are going to have to loose weight, wich is not gonna happen on 3k cals a day. cal suggestion for a 166lbs 22 year old who works out the basic muscle groups every day? Run about 2 miles ever other day, too. I know you guys are far more informed than I, and im open to suggestions.

notstock93 cal suggestion for a 166lbs 22 year old who works out the basic muscle groups every day? Run about 2 miles ever other day, too. I know you guys are far more informed than I, and im open to suggestions. i suggest reading those majic posts at the top of the forum labbeled stickies and deleating this thread before you get flamed to death, and scared away. or just e-mail that guy named christophers, a hoby of his is making routines and giving out dietign advice, he obnly answers PM's as he is too bussy to post.

vettedude i suggest reading those majic posts at the top of the forum labbeled stickies and deleating this thread before you get flamed to death, and scared away. or just e-mail that guy named christophers, a hoby of his is making routines and giving out dietign advice, he obnly answers PM's as he is too bussy to post. well, I searched under abs, and the threads above deal with general nutrition (which are fantastic threads, BTW) but they are geared more towards the hardcore F&N guy. at any rate, I read the fat loss guide, but im getting conflicting stories from other nutritionists (I work at a gym) about the cal intake.They say 3k calorie intake is pretty much the max for an active guy looking to lose weight, this forum says 11-12x your body waight (no more than 1,900-ish cals for me) Thats why I asked. No need to get hostile. Im already getting everything else pretty much right in that guide (sans a few grams of protein)

notstock93 well, I searched under abs, and the threads above deal with general nutrition (which are fantastic threads, BTW) but they are geared more towards the hardcore F&N guy. at any rate, I read the fat loss guide, but im getting conflicting stories from other nutritionists (I work at a gym) about the cal intake.They say 3k calorie intake is pretty much the max for an active guy looking to lose weight, this forum says 11-12x your body waight (no more than 1,900-ish cals for me) Thats why I asked. No need to get hostile. Im already getting everything else pretty much right in that guide (sans a few grams of protein) uhh well, there stuff is not working, i dont really see how anything up there is hardcore, it is all pretty straitforward and applies to anyone. Your "friends" dont know what they are talkign about.

vettedude uhh well, there stuff is not working, i dont really see how anything up there is hardcore, it is all pretty straitforward and applies to anyone. Your "friends" dont know what they are talkign about. Alright, I didnt post here to for you to condescend to me. I hear one thing, I read another. Just wanted some advice, not someone telling me that its not working. I have a hard time beleiving things that I read on the net and just wanted some informed suggestions.

vettedude is pretty much right. the bottom line here is nothing about your abs, its about the layer of fat over them. now what you knwo you need to do is lose fat, and if you look on the main page it says "Sticky: want to lose fat? L I F T W E I G H T S" and "Sticky: Basic Newb Guide to Fat Loss" so obviously thats where you'd look. if you actually read it you'd know it has everything you need to know and you wouldnt be making this thread

notstock93 well, I searched under abs, and the threads above deal with general nutrition (which are fantastic threads, BTW) but they are geared more towards the hardcore F&N guy. at any rate, I read the fat loss guide, but im getting conflicting stories from other nutritionists (I work at a gym) about the cal intake.They say 3k calorie intake is pretty much the max for an active guy looking to lose weight, this forum says 11-12x your body waight (no more than 1,900-ish cals for me) Thats why I asked. No need to get hostile. Im already getting everything else pretty much right in that guide (sans a few grams of protein) well think about that for a second. does it make sense that a flat amount of 3000 calories would be some kind of special fat-loss limit for any active guy? Why would the numbers be the same for someone who is 150lbs vs someone who is 250? Your calorie requirements are based on your size, and then fine-tuned based on your genetics. So you start at 11-12x bodyweight, track your results, and adjust up or down from there.

Chris3G well think about that for a second. does it make sense that a flat amount of 3000 calories would be some kind of special fat-loss limit for any active guy? Why would the numbers be the same for someone who is 150lbs vs someone who is 250? Your calorie requirements are based on your size, and then fine-tuned based on your genetics. So you start at 11-12x bodyweight, track your results, and adjust up or down from there. THAT is the kind of answer that makes sense to me. I have no nutritional background, so the things that are painfully obvious to everyone here dont even occur to me. Thank you very much for helping me see. Im going to start on a 1,900 cal/day diet and continue my current "mild" routine.

you could crank up that "mild" routine to "vigorous" and burn more calories!

ryazbeck you could crank up that "mild" routine to "vigorous" and burn more calories! I may do that, but right now im audtioning for a part that requires me to not be overtly athletic looking. I don't want to endanger my chances of landing a part if I can help it.


























Ab help w/newcomer

Wednesday, January 15, 2014

OK how about this

OK how about this


I go to the gym and do, deadlifst - 4x8 Barbell Rows - 3x8 Pulldowns - 3x8 (use close or wide grip) Shoulders Military Press - 4x8 Lateral Raises - 3x8 Traps Dumbbell Shrugs - 4x8 Biceps Barbell Curls - 4x8 Incline Dumbbell Curls - 3x8 Abs Leg Raises - 3x15-20 after working out, I have a designer whey protein shake with a chicken taco, and some rice. Is that a bad meal for that amount of a workout?

are you serious?

holy overtraining batman not a bad routine IF its spread out over a couple of days.

that routine is AAS approved you're probably going to feel like shit in a couple weeks from doing that much.

killerZees I go to the gym and do, deadlifst - 4x8 Barbell Rows - 3x8 Pulldowns - 3x8 (use close or wide grip) Shoulders Military Press - 4x8 Lateral Raises - 3x8 Traps Dumbbell Shrugs - 4x8 Biceps Barbell Curls - 4x8 Incline Dumbbell Curls - 3x8 Abs Leg Raises - 3x15-20 after working out, I have a designer whey protein shake with a chicken taco, and some rice. Is that a bad meal for that amount of a workout?

Dragon holy overtraining batman not a bad routine IF its spread out over a couple of days. spread that routine out..... btw: Chicken Taco? Sodium...

You think thats too many excerszies? I got it from bodybuilders.com

killerZees You think thats too many excerszies? I got it from bodybuilders.com there's your problem...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/luis10.htm

About 6-8 reps 4 sets. Mon- Chest 1)Flat bench 2) Incline Flys Shoulders 1) Dumbell Millitary press 2) Lateral raises Triceps 1) skull crushers 2) Reverse cable push downs Biceps 1) Dumbell Curls 2) Hammer Curls Tues- Legs 1) Squats 2) Squat press 3) Leg curls 4) Leg extensions 5) Calf raises Back 1)Pull downs 2) Cable rows Wed- off Thurs- Chest 1) Incline press 2) Decline press Triceps 1) Weighted dips 2) Push downs Biceps 1) Preature curls 2) Reverse curls Fri- Shoulders 1) Barbell Military press 2) Bent over lateral raise back 1) Dead lifts 2) Rows 3) GMs 4) Shrugs Sat- off Sun- off This is my routine. I think it works pretty good and i dont feel overtrained as long as I get enough sleep and eat good.

I swear to fucking christ some of you pussies are so worried about overtraining that it hampers your gains. I got some of the best damn progress I've ever had doing the Arnold routine last fall/winter. Lots of volume is not necessarily a terrible thing, my god.




























OK how about this

Bananas=Goodness?

Bananas=Goodness?


I heard they're high in pottasium. why does pottasium do ?

but on a bad side they have a medium-high gi

They're good for your poops.

have had 2 of them today, one of my fav fruits

wheres conans little dog picture.. for me to poop on!

That Shit Is B-a-n-a-n-a-s

superbri007 Potassium helps prevent heart disease and regulate heartbeat, and helps in muscle contractions True Story. Are they medium-high on the GI?

yes, but I wouldnt worry to much about gi

Peal yes, but I wouldnt worry to much about gi yeah because insulin plays no role in fat gain, just ignore the gi

SteveO yeah because insulin plays no role in fat gain, just ignore the gi Right, so avoid everything healthy that has any glucose in it because it may raise your insulin a pinch, screw the vitamins and antioxidants.

SteveO yeah because insulin plays no role in fat gain, just ignore the gi so I'm guessing after your workout you have some low gi steal cut oats? steveo as always, you're stressing to much edit: whoa

fine, I stress too much, who am I kidding I eat them too, and no where did I say to AVOID them... I just mentioned they have a fairly high GI and should be limited. When someone says don't worry so much about the gi, that's just stupidity. I guess this is where a bodybuilders view to a powerlifters view will strongly vary. I learn the proper and best way, and have stuck with it for a couple years. Maybe you're right that it is very minimal, but why take the chance?

christophers more ridiculous than my blatant jokes of eating m&m's for pre workout foods. Those were jokes!?!

bananas = the win for running. helps avoid cramps

christophers dude, it has nothing to do with being a pl'r or a bb'r. do you forget that my nutritional knowledge is up there too? both in experience with myself and people who i have worked with? i've helped a variety of people, from "ectos" to "endos" to "obese" to dangerously skinny. do i need to list people i've taken to higher levels than you are at while being leaner? i'm not trying to be a dick, but one shouldn't attempt to discredit me because i powerlift. it's like trying to discredit lyle mcdonald beacuse he isn't big, yet he is one of the brightest minds in the _entire world_ nutrition wise. of course, i am not saing i'm anywhere near lyle, but the point still stands. I'm not denying your nutrition knowledge, but I am saying that you're too lenient on your diet. I would like to know about these people that you have taken from low to high and what you did recommend to them. I know you didn't say "just ignore the gi, it doesn't mean anything" OR recommend shitty foods to these people. It's not about powerlifting or bodybuilding, but in general majority of powerlifters seem less concerned about their diets than bodybuilders.

christophers i never said gi doesn't matter at all, but it's effects on body composition are exagerrated as most things are. your posts are like a walking t-mag article. the funny thing about t-mag is they fucking suck at science and dont back up anything they say at all here's one, i'll ask for pics but no guarentees, i dont really care enough: start: 137 lb's bench: 85 squat: n/a deadlift: 105 bodyfat: n/a now: 227 lb's bench: 375 squat: 555 deadlift: 605 bodyfat: 13.5 in dunk tank time period: about 2 years, same time as you. he's a rl friend of mine. his diet is was very basic, 5.5-6k/cals, protein at 1.5g/lb, fat @ 25-30% of total cals, rest carbs. his carb sources varied. at first, he ate mostly high gi carbs in the form of potatoes and such. why? because he was puking nearly everyday attempting to eat enough low gi food. you seem to forget i've been down your path. i was more anal than you are now. i lived on pubmed and in nutritional books, dud. i could point out flaws in your diet based on the absolute miniscule of details of you want me to. in the end, if you arent absolutely retarded, small things dont matter as much as lifting heavy weight and eating enough food do. I hope to be there by the end of this year I wrote up a reply, but figured it was pointless. Steveo have you had any tertiary education on human movements etc?

I know majority of the flaws in my diet and could fix them if I had the time and rescources to do so, but it's not going to happen. I work 2 jobs and goto school, this shit is already hard enough as it is. Until I see proven facts that the gi really doesn't effect fat gain much, I won't beleive it. small things dont matter as much as lifting heavy weight and eating enough food do. exactly, but when these are accomplished the small things do count This forum is to teach people the proper way to do things, not give them the idea the sport is easy and you can just eat everything in site. Small things over long periods of time add up. Get in the habit of doing things right and you won't ever look back. Nice job with your friend, and I already beleive you know what you are doing. Like I said before though, this forum is to tell people how to do things the right way. I'm off to bed.

You should eat a banana a day. If nothing else it will help your muscles from locking up.

Peal I hope to be there by the end of this year I wrote up a reply, but figured it was pointless. Steveo have you had any tertiary education on human movements etc? No just reading reputable sites for information. Everyone is biased off the sites they learned their information from. I for one follow strongly off of abcbodybuilding.com, they always support information and they are a very smart group of guys

well there's the reason they probably hate on lyle

SteveO I for one follow strongly off of abcbodybuilding.com oh shit, if you had any credibility on this site, it just went down the drain.

Jeff Coleman oh shit, if you had any credibility on this site, it just went down the drain. yeah, because apparently I have nothing to show for it. Go sit down I have gained 70 lbs in a matter of 2 years following that site, you want to chime in with all your information? Chris has room to talk, I don't even know you

You must be a born again christian? do you collaberate with other people on the site to meet for sunday school?

Jeff Coleman You must be a born again christian? do you collaberate with other people on the site to meet for sunday school? lock this stupid shit You're a fucking idiot, so are you going to hate all christians that lift? They promote a christian lifestyle, big deal. They are good people and provide good information.

SteveO lock this stupid shit yep make the humiliation stop. the shit is bananas b a n a n a s

Bananas=Goodness?

A gainer shake i dont mind taking....

A gainer shake i dont mind taking....


Fruit Blast Isolate Gainer. I was sick of the same old Vanilla/Choc/Straw/Banana options, so i opted out and spent a bit more on the Fruit Blast. this shit is awesome, i actually look forward to taking the shakes. Per 152g serving (4 scoops) Calories - 600ish(cant remember exactly) Fat - 5g Carbs - 78g Protein - 58g if you gag almost everytime you take your shake, i highly recommend this one.

OR make this 24 oz of milk, 2 scoops whey, 1 cup oats, 2 tbsp natty PB, banana

i have a retarded metabolism, you got numbers for that shake? also, i read that taking protein with water increases the rate at which it is assimilated into the body

superbri007 i just bought some Cytosport Cytogainer strawberry, and 100 grams of 1fast400 cee should be here today the last gainer i had was strawberry, from HDT, i didnt mind that one

superbri007 this is by the makers of muscle milk, so it should taste excellent nice, hows the price on that the fruit blast was ~80 canadian for a 10 pounder

superbri007 $29.99 for 6 lbs, 18 servings, 4 scoops a serving. 37.64 for you Hosers up there in Canada eh? thats a good price, ill check that one out once im done this one thanks dude






































A gainer shake i dont mind taking....

is there any places that still sell s1?

is there any places that still sell s1?


just curious?

the title would have did just fine and i doubt the FN mods actually seach for the words ban

No. Any pricing/buying/selling of PH's on the board will result in a ban.












































is there any places that still sell s1?

Dislocated Shoulder

Dislocated Shoulder


I had a bicycle accident last night and dislocated my shoulder. It popped back in on its own. It hurts like a mofo and it feels like i tore up my rotator cuff. Any recommendations on physical therapy? Know how long it usually takes for something like this to heal?

Dismay I had a bicycle accident last night and dislocated my shoulder. It popped back in on its own. It hurts like a mofo and it feels like i tore up my rotator cuff. Any recommendations on physical therapy? Know how long it usually takes for something like this to heal? ouch... i messed up my rotator took a long ass time for it to heal... many months until it felt completely fine.

XsLiCk ouch... i messed up my rotator took a long ass time for it to heal... many months until it felt completely fine. yeah this sucks hardcore. In my 5 years of working out i have been careful and never had an injury and this bullshit happens looks like i wont be doing the things i wanted to the next few months

Mike McDermott Have you seen a doc yet? no, doesnt seem that bad roommate actually had same thing happen to him about a month ago, his was much worse and they didnt do anything for him aside from give him vicodin

this shit sucks. dislocated mine playing football in high school. plagued me for a few years, got surgery last year. still sucks. ..... it sucks.

I've had mine do that same thing many times. What i do is move my shoulder as little as possible for about a week or until it doesn't hurt when i move it. Then when i start doing presses i start out light and go up in weight as long as it doesn't hurt. I don't stretch it hard, i just get the muscles warmed up before I lift.

aenz this shit sucks. dislocated mine playing football in high school. plagued me for a few years, got surgery last year. still sucks. ..... it sucks.

Mike McDermott You should see a doc just to make sure you didn't do something serious like tear your rotator cuff. yeah, maybe i will


































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