chest peck help

chest peck help

k can someone just whip up a quick day at the gym for what they did on chest days, like what are some real good excercises to bulk up in the upper area you know what i mean?

Incline BB or DB Flat BB or DB Dips Flies(if you want) End of workout. SHould take no longer than 45min.

and thats a pretty solid workout for the pecks, fuck i wish i knew all the mumbo jumpo excercise talk to tell you what i was doin, i can only describe them hahaha, ohh fuck mee

dougie090 and thats a pretty solid workout for the pecks, fuck i wish i knew all the mumbo jumpo excercise talk to tell you what i was doin, i can only describe them hahaha, ohh fuck mee There is no K in pecs. Your rep base will be dependent upon your goals.

haha you fucker aright so what do you thinks a good amount of reps, i would normally just do 3 sets of 10??

dougie090 haha you fucker aright so what do you thinks a good amount of reps, i would normally just do 3 sets of 10?? Jesus. You need Jesus.

Im curious to, what is a good way to set up my reps? In highschool 7 years ago they had us doing the same thing 3 x 10

actually the chest peck is a very difficult muscle fiber to train. few are aware that there is such a muscle...but due to VPX's latest research, there is a chest peck. Important: In order to train the chest peck, you have to find the largest black cast iron cauldron and mix the following ingredients: 1 part goat testicle, 2 parts greek alphabet, 3/4 part Abercrombie sexually suggestive shirt, and most imporantly 240c VPX Gangsta Test The chest peck originated in mythology. Zeus (or Jupiter in Roman mythology) would cast down chest pecks from mount olympus at evil doers. Once struck by the chest peck....fuck i dont even know where im going with this...fuck yourself

Silver85327 Im curious to, what is a good way to set up my reps? In highschool 7 years ago they had us doing the same thing 3 x 10 Depending on how often per week you are hitting that muscle. Just do 3x8 for now.

Sgt. Ownage actually the chest peck is a very difficult muscle fiber to train. few are aware that there is such a muscle...but due to VPX's latest research, there is a chest peck. Important: In order to train the chest peck, you have to find the largest black cast iron cauldron and mix the following ingredients: 1 part goat testicle, 2 parts greek alphabet, 3/4 part Abercrombie sexually suggestive shirt, and most imporantly 240c VPX Gangsta Test The chest peck originated in mythology. Zeus (or Jupiter in Roman mythology) would cast down chest pecks from mount olympus at evil doers. Once struck by the chest peck....fuck i dont even know where im going with this...fuck yourself I have the suggestive shirt, it says "geologists make the bedrock"

Neo22 Depending on how often per week you are hitting that muscle. Just do 3x8 for now. Today was my first day working out I plan on going to the gym 5 - 6 times a week. I really need to set up some sort of routine so I dont look like a retard in there.

k thanks neo you sound like you know what your doing, god bless ya

hahahah silver that was some funny shit, i know how you feel though hahah that is fucking hilarious i cant stop laughing, i can picture you just walking around haha fuck me thats funny

Your number of reps should depend on what your goals are (i.e strength, endurance or size) but since you're just starting out you should train your muscles to get used to lifting. I'd suggest doing two sets of about 14 reps to begin with as a warmup and then 3 sets of 12 focusing on form rather than trying to throw the weights up. This will help get your core muscles up to scratch and help you learn the right form to begin with rather than shooting for numbers. If I have a break for more than a couple of weeks I tend to do a week where every day I do an exercise on every muscle group. i.e Monday: Squats x 5 + pec deck x 5 + Seated row x 5 + shrugs x 5 + tricep ext x 5 and standing curls x 5 wednesday: leg ext + DB press + bent over row + military press + skull crushers + preacher curls Friday: hack squats + incline press + wide grip chin ups + lateral raises + dips + bb curls Gets my body back into the swing without hurting myself trying to lift what I did the last time I was in the gym so its probably a good way for you to get yourself into the gym routine without hurting yourself so bad that you don't come back. Not for everyone though

Chalkitup Your number of reps should depend on what your goals are (i.e strength, endurance or size) but since you're just starting out you should train your muscles to get used to lifting. I'd suggest doing two sets of about 14 reps to begin with as a warmup and then 3 sets of 12 focusing on form rather than trying to throw the weights up. This will help get your core muscles up to scratch and help you learn the right form to begin with rather than shooting for numbers. If I have a break for more than a couple of weeks I tend to do a week where every day I do an exercise on every muscle group. i.e Monday: Squats x 5 + pec deck x 5 + Seated row x 5 + shrugs x 5 + tricep ext x 5 and standing curls x 5 wednesday: leg ext + DB press + bent over row + military press + skull crushers + preacher curls Friday: hack squats + incline press + wide grip chin ups + lateral raises + dips + bb curls Gets my body back into the swing without hurting myself trying to lift what I did the last time I was in the gym so its probably a good way for you to get yourself into the gym routine without hurting yourself so bad that you don't come back. Not for everyone though Nice now if I only knew what some of those things were.

Sorry, I know how you feel I read most of the threads in here and they may as well be in japanese so dont be afraid to ask. What in particular don't you know?

yah im not familiar with skull crusher, hack squats, preachers curl im sure i know what they are but i have a differnet name for the fucking thigns

Skull crusher - Lay on the bench on your back and using a barbell and grip with palms facing up (or towards your feet) straighten your arms so that they are perpendicular to your body. Now by bending at the elbow you lower the bar down towards your head. Start off light and try and focus on keeping your elbows neat and together. Hack squats are a machine lift. You begin in a standing position with pads on your shoulders that attach to the "carriage", unlock the carriage and position your feet so that you when you squat you are positioned as if sitting in a chair. Again keep your knees steady and get someone to check that you're going deep enough. Preacher curls - these are an isolated bicep curl where you sit or stand with a barbell or dumbells and the tricep part of your arm is rested on an inclined pad. Now when you curl the pad keeps your elbows in position and you isolate the biceps when curling. This is the type of form that you are aiming for when free lifting where your control muscles keep you in position and lifting the weights rather that swinging them.

ahh yes i know what the preacher curls are now, yah they are harder since you cant swing, good workout, the hack squats i dont know i dont have that machine the gym im at im pretty sure, so for the skull crusher you will kinda loook like an L like your on your back and your then lifting upwards? or are you going out over your head so its just like a straight line you know?

Start step 1 Bend your elbows and lower your forearms toward the top of your head. Keep your elbows and upper arms locked in position, and straighten your arms to return to the start position. finish

Hack squats You shouldn't lock your knees out during the exercise so that your quads stay loaded

you need the sex muscles bro

db preachers

For Chest I like something along the lines of Flat BB 10,6,4,4,2 Incline DB 3x6-8 Incline Flies 3x8 Flat Flies 3x8 Then the next week do Incline BB 10,6,4,4,2 Flat DB 3x6-8 Flat Flies 3x8 Incline Flies 3x8

Sgt. Ownage actually the chest peck is a very difficult muscle fiber to train. few are aware that there is such a muscle...but due to VPX's latest research, there is a chest peck. Important: In order to train the chest peck, you have to find the largest black cast iron cauldron and mix the following ingredients: 1 part goat testicle, 2 parts greek alphabet, 3/4 part Abercrombie sexually suggestive shirt, and most imporantly 240c VPX Gangsta Test The chest peck originated in mythology. Zeus (or Jupiter in Roman mythology) would cast down chest pecks from mount olympus at evil doers. Once struck by the chest peck....fuck i dont even know where im going with this...fuck yourself Buy an av, you are

chest peck help

Hmmm trouble coming up with a descent routine...

Hmmm trouble coming up with a descent routine...

I have gotten a bit out of shape, need to lose body fat and put on muscle mass... I'm about 5"10 / 5"11 @ 180-185lbs, not much muscle defintion due to body fat, when I was 165 pounds I have much better defined muscles. Anyways I used to work out every day with random breaks, chest/biceps back/triceps shoulders/legs however I hit a plateau pretty quick because I was overworking myself I've since expiremented with different routines, lately i've been doing 0 legs.. I want to do a routine for 6 days a week... Sundays I work a f'd up schedule and cant make it to the gym. I was considering Day 1 - Chest, biceps, triceps, abs Day 2 - Cardio Day 3- Back, Shoulders, traps Day 4 - Cardio, abs Day 5 - Legs, lower back, abs Day 6 - Cardio Day 7 - Off However i'm a bit edgy on doing a muscle group only once a week so i'm confused and having a hard time figuring out what I should do...... I think a muscle group once a week isn't enough, I like to get really sore then I recover usually on third day so hmmm.... any ideas??? P.S dont gimmi any shit about doing chest with tricep instead of bicep or viseversa, it makes no fucking diff; everyone does it differently and i've tried all combinations finding little difference. before, about 165 pounds now about 180

great, your avatar made me not as hungry.

lol

you gonna get hit wif the sticky stik, boyo

Too much cardio, not enough lift.

~stangzorized~ Too much cardio, not enough lift.

*decent

christophers rountine, drop down calories, drop down cardio

Whats wrong with cardio?

nothing, I just think theres a bit to much of it in his routine

hmm so maybe limit cardio to twice a week? or even once a week?

how about a rotation of Day 1 - Chest, biceps, abs Day 2 - Back, triceps, abs Day 3- Legs, Shoulders, Lower back Day 4- Cardio with random days off?

baghrhrg decent, dunno why the hell I wrote descent..

I dunno, I do cardio 3 times a week. But I am just looking for something to do I guess. :-x

Day 1 - Legs Squats Leg Press Quad Extension Hammy Curl Standing Calf Raise Day 2 - Chest/Tri Flat Bench (alternate bb/db weekly) Incline Bench (alternate bb/db weekly) Pec Deck Dips Tricep Rope Pull Down on Cable Machine Skull Crushers CG Bench Day 3 - Back/Bi Deadlifts Pullups (palms out, wide grip) Bentover BB Rows Seated Cable Rows Barbell Curl Preacher Curl Hammer Curl with Rope attachment on Cable Machine Day 4 - Shoulders DB Press Rear Raises Lateral Raises Shrugs

mike Day 1 - Legs Squats Leg Press Quad Extension Hammy Curl Standing Calf Raise Day 2 - Chest/Tri Flat Bench (alternate bb/db weekly) Incline Bench (alternate bb/db weekly) Pec Deck Dips Tricep Rope Pull Down on Cable Machine Skull Crushers CG Bench Day 3 - Back/Bi Deadlifts Pullups (palms out, wide grip) Bentover BB Rows Seated Cable Rows Barbell Curl Preacher Curl Hammer Curl with Rope attachment on Cable Machine Day 4 - Shoulders DB Press Rear Raises Lateral Raises Shrugs Thanks, i've however never done deadlifts yet, should I start doing them? Also any advise? Also whats Pec Deck? and Bent over BB rows?

What's your av all about?

Ilyusha What's your av all about? A little sumptin sumptin I did for a uni project... http://chlywly.designverge.net/zeebo went out on the town scaring the fuck out of people, cars stopped, people crossed the street and tripped over themselves falling, umm no one asked him for any help and did their best to avoid him, wouldn't even let him on the bus. part 2 is coming soon.

chlywly A little sumptin sumptin I did for a uni project... http://chlywly.designverge.net/zeebo went out on the town scaring the fuck out of people, cars stopped, people crossed the street and tripped over themselves falling, umm no one asked him for any help and did their best to avoid him, wouldn't even let him on the bus. part 2 is coming soon. That's fuckin dope..

If you asked me I would say you should lift more weight less often. What youre doing now obviously isnt working, so how much could it hurt to go 3-4 times a week? When I started doing that I saw instant strength gains because when I was going 6 times a week I was overtraining. Maybe you should cut out some ab stuff as well, some compound movements such as squat will work your abs, so just have an ab day on a different day than your legs day. By the way, make sure you actually have a leg day. In my opinion, probably the most important day. But thats just my opinion.

chlywly Thanks, i've however never done deadlifts yet, should I start doing them? Also any advise? Also whats Pec Deck? and Bent over BB rows? pec deck: bent over row (sorta): do deadlifts.

That bent over row pic sucks ass. The bar is going too high up in the chest area.

ok cool, any good sources on doing a proper dead lift?

Hmmm trouble coming up with a descent routine...

*Pics* I have these two DB's only, what exercises can I do.

*Pics* I have these two DB's only, what exercises can I do.

25 pounders, All I know is to do DB press, what else can I do. Thanks for anyhelp given, and I know there is forum but, nobody answers my questions.

farmers walk to the gym and buy a membership

jonno farmers walk to the gym and buy a membership

I am 15 and nobody can take me its 12 mmiles away.

jonno farmers walk to the gym and buy a membership then trade the db for gym credit

www.google.com

stealthrapt0r then trade the db for gym credit i am 15, nobody can take me.

jonno farmers walk to the gym and buy a membership bwhahahahahahahahahaahhaaha jonno > most

pandob i am 15, nobody can take me. man up sissy boy

you could try to take a weight training class at school

stealthrapt0r you could try to take a weight training class at school i really thin and can't lift much, I dont want to embarase myself.

pandob i really thin and can't lift much, I dont want to embarase myself. We all start somewhere.

pandob i really thin and can't lift much, I dont want to embarase myself. For a second there I thought a gym was for self improvement. Maybe I'm wrong. Seriously though I have never saw a really skinny dude at the gym and thought less of him. I think it's pretty cool that he got out there and wanted to change.

sr20wop jonno > most agreed!

if only big burly men went to the join, eveyone would be scrawny.

pandob i really thin and can't lift much, I dont want to embarase myself. sr20wop man up sissy boy .

pandob i really thin and can't lift much, I dont want to embarase myself. There are plenty of people like you in there I am sure. Dumbbell Press Hammer Curl Curl Overhead Tricep Extension Single Arm Overhead Tricep Extensions(dangerous IMO) Flyes Dumbbell Pullover Single Bentover Dumbbell Row Dumbbell Overhead Press Lunges Dumbbell Squats(you will definitely need more weight in the future/soon) Pushups(use the dumbbells as the grips) Concenration Curls You can do pushups, crunches, leg raises, pullups(if you have a bar somewhere), dips(side of bench, bathtub, chair), running... Start saving some cash for a small home gym set, then add on as needed in the future. A good bench is around 100-150 and a set of weight with 2x45s, 2x25s, 2x10s, 2x5s, and a 45lb bar is around 80-100.. If you have a b-day coming up, ask for it.

pandob i really thin and can't lift much, I dont want to embarase myself. dont be a fucking pussy! we all started somewhere, who gives a fuck what other people thiunk, do this shuit for yourself. If you cant sacrifice something, than you might as well quit trying.

armond There are plenty of people like you in there I am sure. Dumbbell Press Hammer Curl Curl Overhead Tricep Extension Single Arm Overhead Tricep Extensions(dangerous IMO) Flyes Dumbbell Pullover Single Bentover Dumbbell Row Dumbbell Overhead Press Lunges Dumbbell Squats(you will definitely need more weight in the future/soon) Pushups(use the dumbbells as the grips) Concenration Curls You can do pushups, crunches, leg raises, pullups(if you have a bar somewhere), dips(side of bench, bathtub, chair), running... Start saving some cash for a small home gym set, then add on as needed in the future. A good bench is around 100-150 and a set of weight with 2x45s, 2x25s, 2x10s, 2x5s, and a 45lb bar is around 80-100.. If you have a b-day coming up, ask for it. thanks so much man, thats all i needed.

kickbacks

trade them in for a bike so you can bike to the gym?

You can literally work out every body part with those, but you will quickly out grow it. Does your school have a weight room?

Bike to the gym. Any kid should be able to bike 12 miles in an hour. It's not that difficult.

Your 15 so im assuming your a freshmen and im damn sure there is a weightroom in your school just go after school

wtf @ only 25s Fuck all that.

*Pics* I have these two DB's only, what exercises can I do.

My routine...critique wanted (long)

My routine...critique wanted (long)

Any thoughts, suggestions? Monday: chest, abs & tri dumbbells - 4 x 8 incline dumbbells - 3 x 8 decline on cable machines - 3 x 8 fly machine - 3 x 8 burnout bench - 1 x 21 various abs (depending on day) skull crusher (lying) w/ bench bar - 3 x 8 one-handed pulldowns on cable stack - 3 x 8 overhead rope pulls on cable stack - 3 x 8 dips - 2 x ? (usually about 25 - 30 first set, 20 - 25 second set) Tuesday: back & biceps pulldowns - 4 x 8 seated row machine (don't know what it is called) - 3 x 8 dumbbell rows - 3 x 8 lower back machine - 3 x 8 pullups - 2 x ? (usually 10 first set, 6-8 second) traps - 4 x 8 bench bar curls - pyramid sets (1 x 12, 1 x 10, 1 x 8, 1 x 10, 1 x 12) seated incline curls - 3 x 8 concentration curls - 3 x 8 hammer curls - 3 x 8 (immediately following each set, lighter dumbbells ~20lbs used for making circular motions) Wednesday: shoulders, abs & tri military press - 4 x 8 lateral raises - 3 x 8 front raises - 3 x 8 reverse fly? (don't know name) - 3 x 8 various abs (depending on day) skull crushers w/ curl bar - 3 x 8 triangle bar pulldown - 3 x 8 rope pulldown - 3 x 8 dips - 2 x ? (see above for # reps) Thursday: legs leg press - 4 x 8 extensions - 4 x 8 curls - 4 x 8 calf press - 3 x 12 calves on leg press machine - 3 x 15 Friday: chest, abs & biceps bench - 4 x 8 incline bench - 3 x 8 decline bench - 3 x 8 flys - 3 x 8 various abs (depending on day) bench bar curls - 3 x 21 (7 wide grip, 7 narrow, 7 normal) incline bench curls - 3 x 8 superman curls (what I call them) ->use 2 weight stacks, curl with upper arms parallel to floor, bring hands toward head, like a typical flex pose... - 3 x 8 hammer curls - 3 x 8 (w/ afterward as on tuesdays) Saturday: legs squat - 3 x 8 rest is same as Thursday minus the leg press So that's it. Comments? Suggestions? I am always looking to make it better. FWIW, I am ~6'4", ~185... thanks E

seems to be overtraining to me..dunno..

I am just glancing at it and I will give my .02 later. But you have way to many sets to per day to be working a group twice a week and you need to vary your rep scheme.

You need to give your muscles more time to rest. You're overtraining and probably working against yourself. Take it back a notch and work each muscle group once a week. You shouldn't be at the gym working out every day.

Yeah first thing that popped into my head was overtraining. What are your goals? What's your diet like?

holy overtraining batman

Thanks for the input guys - I was beginning to suspect that I was overtraining some. My goals at first were the typical: get my bench to 300, and look good. Got to 300 a couple of weeks ago, and I look good, but after that my goals changed to being more fit, so I think that I am going to take up swimming 2x/wk and drop off to working each group 1x/wk...my diet is, at best guess ~4000 cal/day; I have a super high metabolism, and I know that this is not really high if I want to be bulking, but I don't really want to bulk too much; I am tall and lean, and I want to stay that way, but muscular...any more help? Thanks guys. E

bump? I still want some more feedback

It's only about 24-6 sets a day... hardly overtaining it seems. I posted a routine where it was 20 sets of mostly 10s and no one thought that was even close to overtaining. If you are worried about overtraining though just knock off a lift a day.

thanks man - really appreciate the feedback - and to the gym I go...

My routine...critique wanted (long)

so I started christophers routine...

so I started christophers routine...

Hey what's up guys, Been a long time lurker on the F&N forums...been lifting on/off for the past 4-5 years. When I started out I was 150ish at 6'. Bulked up to about 200 at one point about two years ago, but right now I'm at 180ish. I started christophers routine last night and let me tell you it was INTENSE. Squats, deads, bench, incline really kicked my a$$ and I almost puked when walking out of the gym. Good times! Will try to post some pics soon.

gat damn boyeeeeee

the first week killed me, now doing all 3 in one day is not as big a deal

how long were you in the gym for?

the day after the first routine really burned, but i've jacked up my bench by 50 pounds, my squats by 80 or so, and my dead lift by 50 since that first day (i'd never really done the 3 so i started out with 135 for each.) now it doesn't hurt as much the next day, kinda makes me sad. any reason why? my body adapts to the new weight? i'm doing the same 5x5 routine as christopher's posted.

Probably about an hour or so...I started off kinda light because I didn't want to jump into super heavy...didn't really know what to expect. Squats 95 x 5 135 x 5 155 x 5 185 x 5 205 x 5 Deads 95 x 5 135 x 5 155 x 5 185 x 5 225 x 5 Bench 95 x 5 115 x 5 135 x 5 155 x 5 185 x 5 Incline DB press 35's x 15 40's x 15 45's x 12

I'm also enjoying this program a lot, I"m in my 4th week and have been seeing really good gains.

I'm doing this program as well, its going really well.

Hope to start this on Monday. Did he mention anything about eating? Im trying to lose fat in the belly and am following his sticky thread on fat loss. 5'4, 150lbs.

I have been doing it for about a month and a half going really well so far.

johnson Hope to start this on Monday. Did he mention anything about eating? Im trying to lose fat in the belly and am following his sticky thread on fat loss. 5'4, 150lbs. eat.

where is the routine posted?

chris, I'd really like to know if you have something else to replace squats? my hips just aren't cut for it. I didn't workout today because the pain came back. Deads never seem to bother me, it's something about all that weight on my back. I see myself in the mirror and form looks dead on.

Is this routine in the stickies?

Kozzy McKoz Is this routine in the stickies? no

deznutz where is the routine posted?

vettedude no Then where may I view this routine?

Chris, i am putting my lil bro on this routine he is 18, 6'2 and weighs 135 and needs to GFH, u think it would be k for me to have him do box squats after a few weeks, and maybee switch up the DL's from luiek sumo to SLDL, whatr about GHR's could i get those in there too for him? Monday Squats-5x5(Do four progressively heavier sets of 5 with the 5th set being your 5RM.) Deadlifts-5x5(Do the same) Bench Press-5x5(Do the same) Incline DB Press-2x12-20 Wednesday Light Squats or Lunges-4x8 each leg Good Mornings-3x8-12 Shoulder Press-5x5 or Dips-4xmax until you get 12 each time. then add weight. Pullups-4xmax Friday Squats-warmup to a 3 reps with 5 more lbs than you used on Monday. On the following monday use this weight for your 5th set. Bent Over Row-5x5 Incline Bench-5x5 Tricep Extensions-2x12-20

vettedude Monday Skittles-5x5(Do four progressively heavier sets of 5 with the 5th set being your 5RM.) Hohos-5x5(Do the same) Steak Press-5x5(Do the same) Incline Pepsi Press-2x12-20 Wednesday Light Pancakes or Waffles-4x8 each leg Good eatings-3x8-12 Donut Press-5x5 or Dips-4xmax until you get 12 each time. then add weight. Sweet rolls-4xmax Friday Skittles-warmup to a 3 reps with 5 more lbs than you used on Monday. On the following monday use this weight for your 5th set. Bent Over Vomiting-5x5 Incline All you can eat-5x5 Buffet line Extensions-2x12-20

christophers what's wrong with your hips? just pain? sharp pain, radiates to (or possibly coming from?) lower back, and sometimes to groin. I had a long post on it when it occured, and surprise - it came from SQUATS! Put me out for 2 months

Ilyusha :r ofl:

christophers this routine is too hard for ya buddy btw: What does this mean... Incline DB Press-2x12-20 2 sets, 12 reps? whats the 20?

deznutz btw: What does this mean... Incline DB Press-2x12-20 2 sets, 12 reps? whats the 20? maybee 12-20 reps depending on how u feel

deznutz btw: What does this mean... Incline DB Press-2x12-20 2 sets, 12 reps? whats the 20? 12-20 reps

deznutz btw: What does this mean... Incline DB Press-2x12-20 2 sets, 12 reps? whats the 20? between 12 and 20 reps

so I started christophers routine...

If you know your going to get totally trashed tonight...

If you know your going to get totally trashed tonight...

What would you do? Take a few protein shakes before? I know im going to be drunk tonight

protein shake with 4 tablespoons of olive oil in it, and drink another protein shake after you drink and like 3 glasses of water. you'll be super duper a-okay

just mix 12oz beer with 1 scoop of whey and enjoy x 10 when i get drunk i remember to eat something, usually some cottage cheese or some sort of protien before i pass out, and drink one big glass of water and take another to bed with me.

^^

i wouldnt worry about it.. just get plenty of water before bed. maybe down some milk?

jonno i wouldnt worry about it.. just get plenty of water before bed. maybe down some milk? Im lactose intollerant.... thats why i switched from water to milk for my protein shakes.....

deznutz Im lactose intollerant.... thats why i switched from water to milk for my protein shakes..... scratch that then

honestly... this is all you need to know about hangovers etc. http://health.howstuffworks.com/hangover.htm

deznutz Im lactose intollerant.... thats why i switched from water to milk for my protein shakes..... soy milk!

Lots of water while drinking and lots more right before bed. Take 2 advil before you hit the sack as well. One of my most successful drinking nights happened when I was about 18 - I had 2 big macs right before my friend's party, and drank like a fucking beast and felt smooth all night (no crazy spikes and dips in drunkedness) and felt great in the morning. So drink lots of water and eat more than you normally do before the party and you're all set.

Children's Ped-A-Lite. Best stuff ever created for eliminating hangovers. Drink some before going to bed/passing out. Wake up and have some more.

im not worried about hangovers....more about the nutrition aspect... maybe i should eat less for dinner, that way i can have more cals when i drink?

1 beer is barely more alcohol than a shot = 100 - 150 cals 1 shot of liquor is barely less alcohol than a beer = 70cals, 0carbs,0fat,0protein. Alcohol is its own calorie.

I wouldnt even waste my time trying to eat right or goto the gym that night or the next 2 days...its pointless

Smoke a joint in the morning...

I am always fine to work out the day after I drink. Just eat good and drink lots of water and you are perfectly fine.

"Headaches result from dehydration because the body's organs try to make up for their own water loss by stealing water from the brain" man fuck that

Alcohol + Dairy = bad news For me at least

PurEvl I wouldnt even waste my time trying to eat right or goto the gym that night or the next 2 days...its pointless

Ru-21

As an experience alcoholic take my advice- protein slows the synthesis of alcohol, so eat that before you start drinking (usually a bunch of tuna or a steak or some chicken wtfever...). Before you go to bed, and if you are really drunk this can be hard to do, but try to get 4-5-6 glasses of water pounded. Thats all there is too it, if you don't drink the water you are fucked. Eating tons of bread won't soak it up or anything so don't bother. Another thing I found that helps out is to have pre-made healthy foods out for when you get the munchies, with your inhibitions down its easy to want to go grab fast food or something shitty...you will regret it the next day and feel like a fat ass. Just make something and put it in the fridge so later when you are stumbling around it will seem like a burried treasure and you can devour it

alcohol is 7 calories per gram, but the body doesnt use it for exercise. It's also a diuretic. Being drunk won't do anything do your muscles, just factor in the calories, and make sure you drink water and burn the Cals. eat less today so you are more easily affected by the alch...then eat more tomorrow after you've pissed it out.

joy division As an experience alcoholic take my advice- protein slows the synthesis of alcohol, so eat that before you start drinking (usually a bunch of tuna or a steak or some chicken wtfever...). Before you go to bed, and if you are really drunk this can be hard to do, but try to get 4-5-6 glasses of water pounded. Thats all there is too it, if you don't drink the water you are fucked. Eating tons of bread won't soak it up or anything so don't bother. Another thing I found that helps out is to have pre-made healthy foods out for when you get the munchies, with your inhibitions down its easy to want to go grab fast food or something shitty...you will regret it the next day and feel like a fat ass. Just make something and put it in the fridge so later when you are stumbling around it will seem like a burried treasure and you can devour it as an experienced alcoholic I can say that just chugging water before bed and not eating anything works just fine. fuck the protein you're body doesnt want to digest MORE while you're sleeping...its already working hard on the alcohol.

Z PYRATE as an experienced alcoholic I can say that just chugging water before bed and not eating anything works just fine. fuck the protein you're body doesnt want to digest MORE while you're sleeping...its already working hard on the alcohol. and when you wake up with piss all over yourself, remember that

if you really care about the nutrition aspect of it, don't drink

If you know your going to get totally trashed tonight...

I bet you can't make a workout for me.

I bet you can't make a workout for me.

I need a workout that is a 3 to 4 day split. I need compound exercises. This workout needs to focus on muscle tone more than actual mass.

you're right, i can't

day 1: upper body 1) flat bench- 4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) heavy triceps - 4-6 sets of 5-8 reps 3) barbell rows-4-6 sets of 8-10 reps 4) rear/side/front raises-4-5 sets of 10-15 reps 5) biceps - pick a movement and do 4 sets of whatever reps day 2: lower body 1) full squats-4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) romanian deadlift-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps 3) reverse hypers, pull through's, or back raises-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 4) heavy ab work 5) optional extra quad movement if you want "burn", but 100% not neccesary day 3: upper body #2 1) dumbell bench-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 2) volume triceps-pick an extention, 1/4 dips, etc-4-5 sets of 10-12 reps 3) chin ups/pullups-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps, weighted or not 4) overhead pressing once every 2 weeks-3-5 sets of 6-10 reps 5) biceps, pick one movement for 4-5 sets day 4: lower body #2 1) deadlifts or sumo deadlifts - 5-6 sets of singles, or triples. dont deadlift every single week. for those weeks you don't, take it easy. 2) step ups, single leg squats, lunges-3-5 sets of 8-12 reps 3) leg curls-3-6 sets of 10-12 reps 4) heavy abs

What's a reverse Hyper? Wouldn't that be almost like a situp?

TrickyDick8806 What's a reverse Hyper? Wouldn't that be almost like a situp? No.

Nevermind i just looked reverse hypers up, anyway to do that without a machine?

Ceaze you're right, i can't haha. muscle tone.

OMG UR RYTE NOW THAT EWE DARED ME EYE HAF TWO



Sgt. Ownage OMG UR RYTE NOW THAT EWE DARED ME EYE HAF TWO Very tasteful.

Ilyusha day 1: upper body 1) flat bench- 4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) heavy triceps - 4-6 sets of 5-8 reps 3) barbell rows-4-6 sets of 8-10 reps 4) rear/side/front raises-4-5 sets of 10-15 reps 5) biceps - pick a movement and do 4 sets of whatever reps day 2: lower body 1) full squats-4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) romanian deadlift-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps 3) reverse hypers, pull through's, or back raises-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 4) heavy ab work 5) optional extra quad movement if you want "burn", but 100% not neccesary day 3: upper body #2 1) dumbell bench-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 2) volume triceps-pick an extention, 1/4 dips, etc-4-5 sets of 10-12 reps 3) chin ups/pullups-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps, weighted or not 4) overhead pressing once every 2 weeks-3-5 sets of 6-10 reps 5) biceps, pick one movement for 4-5 sets day 4: lower body #2 1) deadlifts or sumo deadlifts - 5-6 sets of singles, or triples. dont deadlift every single week. for those weeks you don't, take it easy. 2) step ups, single leg squats, lunges-3-5 sets of 8-12 reps 3) leg curls-3-6 sets of 10-12 reps 4) heavy abs What the fuck are you doing? Don't give him shit. For one thing, he said 'tone'. He doesn't know any exercises and he'll probably end up hurting himself anyways. If he really wanted our help, he would ask F&N PROPERLY instead of " " I bet you can't ... "

Now that I think of it. I feel like an idiot because this is probably a parody or something. Right?

OH NOES!!!11 Your advanced reverse psychology is too advanced for our feeble meathead minds.... clever boy!

Gutrat Now that I think of it. I feel like an idiot because this is probably a parody or something. Right? no, the guy just wants a brad pitt look

TrickyDick8806 Very tasteful. i will shit on your chest

SteveO no, the guy just wants a brad pitt look What? Brad Pitt? Well, then he'll have to get a leg double also.

Sgt. Ownage i will shit on your chest cleavland steamer style ??

Sgt. Ownage i will shit on your chest

Gutrat What the fuck are you doing? Don't give him shit. For one thing, he said 'tone'. He doesn't know any exercises and he'll probably end up hurting himself anyways. If he really wanted our help, he would ask F&N PROPERLY instead of " " I bet you can't ... " Yeah, lets treat every new person like shit.

oh.. if you want to tone just do 63 reps of every exercise

By the way, for the record, he edited his post after I replied. If I saw the whole toning thing in there, I wouldn't have helped.

Ilyusha day 1: upper body 1) flat bench- 4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) heavy triceps - 4-6 sets of 5-8 reps 3) barbell rows-4-6 sets of 8-10 reps 4) rear/side/front raises-4-5 sets of 10-15 reps 5) biceps - pick a movement and do 4 sets of whatever reps day 2: lower body 1) full squats-4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) romanian deadlift-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps 3) reverse hypers, pull through's, or back raises-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 4) heavy ab work 5) optional extra quad movement if you want "burn", but 100% not neccesary day 3: upper body #2 1) dumbell bench-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 2) volume triceps-pick an extention, 1/4 dips, etc-4-5 sets of 10-12 reps 3) chin ups/pullups-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps, weighted or not 4) overhead pressing once every 2 weeks-3-5 sets of 6-10 reps 5) biceps, pick one movement for 4-5 sets day 4: lower body #2 1) deadlifts or sumo deadlifts - 5-6 sets of singles, or triples. dont deadlift every single week. for those weeks you don't, take it easy. 2) step ups, single leg squats, lunges-3-5 sets of 8-12 reps 3) leg curls-3-6 sets of 10-12 reps 4) heavy abs I was wondering why not DL every week?

jonno oh.. if you want to tone just do 63 reps of every exercise and make sure you keep track, any more or less and teh workout will be worthless because of over/under training

Day 1: 1 hour of elliptical Day 2: 1 hour of running on treadmill Day 3: 1 hour of running outside Day 4: 1 hour of HIIT running outside Day 5: 1 hour of running long jump exercises Day 6: 1 hour of running through the sand on a beach Day 7: 1 hour of jumping off highest building you can find Make sure to take 7200 steps (2 per second) to get maximal toneness, there's your weekly routine, repeat as needed. edit: Oh damn you're a tricky one mr dick.

ralyks Day 1: 1 hour of elliptical Day 2: 1 hour of running on treadmill Day 3: 1 hour of running outside Day 4: 1 hour of HIIT running outside Day 5: 1 hour of running long jump exercises Day 6: 1 hour of running through the sand on a beach Day 7: 1 hour of jumping off highest building you can find Make sure to take 7200 steps (2 per second) to get maximal toneness, there's your weekly routine, repeat as needed. edit: Oh damn you're a tricky one mr dick. I hope your not being serious.

I bet you can't make a workout for me.

Hm..explanation on this?

Hm..explanation on this?

I do chest + tris once a week...I did it last week (monday) but that was the only day I worked out. Had knee surgery so I was stuck at home the whole week Anyways, at the gym today, I did BB 155x10, 165x8, 165x6. Last week when I did it I could only get about 4 or 6 on the last two sets. The week before, I got 4 on the 165 sets. Explanation for this? Is it possible that the week "off" from everything else let my muscles recover?

Overtraining.

Wouldn't doubt it..but still, sad if that's so.

knucks Wouldn't doubt it..but still, sad if that's so. Well then there's your answer. You aren't giving your muscles enough time to recover. I had the same problem with DB shoulder press a few months ago.. after not pressing for 2 weeks, I came back 10lbs stronger per DB.

How is a week not enough time to recover? Nothing going well for me in life.

knucks How is a week not enough time to recover? Nothing going well for me in life. What kind of volume are you doing per day/week, and how many times per week are you working your chest?

Ilyusha What kind of volume are you doing per day/week, and how many times per week are you working your chest? Not sure what you mean by volume..but I do this/similar to this once a week (Monday): flat bench (bb or db. i change it up here and there) incline bench (db) decline (smith) dips incline wide grip(machine) flys (once in a while..not really consistent with them)

knucks Not sure what you mean by volume..but I do this/similar to this once a week (Monday): flat bench (bb or db. i change it up here and there) incline bench (db) decline (smith) dips incline wide grip(machine) flys (once in a while..not really consistent with them) That looks like too much already.. how many sets/reps do you do per exercise?

3. today was a crappy day for me as I didn't want to over-do it on the first day back: flat bench (bb): 155x10, 165x8, 165x6 incline bench (bb..i hate doing this but my wrist has been bothering me): 95x10, 105x10, 105x8 decline (smith): 25s x 10, 30s x 10, 40 x 8 incline (machine): 60 (on each side) x 8, 60 x 8, 60 x 10, 60 x 10 i usually do 4 or 5 exercises for chest

I would do no more than 3-4 exercises with 3-5 sets each per week.

Hm..explanation on this?

how much weight on dips?

how much weight on dips?

just curious what everyone is doing here. i do mine pretty wide and can do about 5 or 6 reps with 3 plates (135 lbs). my roommate doesnt believe i can do that much weight though, ha.

don't like to do them

I usually do 4 sets of 6-10 reps: body weight, bw+25, bw+35, bw+45.

i have a hard time believing that as well but awesome if you really can.

That's quite a bit of weight.

at my gym, you have to go to the bloody front desk and sign out the belt to attach the plates to. Cant be bothered so I just do body weight only.

45 8 reps 70 8 reps 90 6 reps 90 5 reps

i can do 2 plates for sets of 6-8 pretty easily.

how far down do you go? i just do bw dips..first set is usually 14 fairly deep

aenz i have a hard time believing that as well but awesome if you really can. i used to do that much.....i can't do dips right now though cause of the cyst in my wrist

Ceaze i used to do that much.....i can't do dips right now though cause of the cyst in my wrist That sucks what you gonna do about it?

NoXeN how far down do you go? my upper arms go to parallel with the floor. so 90 degrees at my elbows

ryazbeck just curious what everyone is doing here. i do mine pretty wide and can do about 5 or 6 reps with 3 plates (135 lbs). my roommate doesnt believe i can do that much weight though, ha. thats pretty impressive if true. I do sets with the 45 pound plates... wide grip and leaned forward on shoulder day, and closer grip vertical on tricep day.

Ceaze i used to do that much.....i can't do dips right now though cause of the cyst in my wrist how weird, my wife just had an mri for that last week and today they shot some roids into it...shes in agony

PurEvl how weird, my wife just had an mri for that last week and today they shot some roids into it...shes in agony yeah i got it from doing rack pulls....it hasn't stopped me from working out but i have to wear wrist wraps to take some pressure off my wrist

my body weight = 200 lbs. I'll do like 25,15,15

I use my bodyweight...

I usually get under big guys doing dips and get them on my shoulders and start dipping them.

135? post up some pictures of you are you doing them on a flat bench (with the weight on your lap) or an actual dip bar?

using a dip bar with a weight belt and 3 plates on it. pics here: http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=1742101

ryazbeck using a dip bar with a weight belt and 3 plates on it. pics here: http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=1742101 well more power to you if you actually can. me and you are very similar sized, and you do a shitload more weight. What are you putting on BB bench?

Max I've tried years ago was 60lb dumbell held between my legs for 5-6 reps. Haven't tried weighted dips too often...

Ceaze i used to do that much.....i can't do dips right now though cause of the cyst in my wrist i didn't mean i don't think it's possible. i meant based on his pics i wouldn't have guessed he could do that much.

SteveO well more power to you if you actually can. me and you are very similar sized, and you do a shitload more weight. What are you putting on BB bench? dips and bench don't have much correlation

Ceaze dips and bench don't have much correlation I'm just curious of the chest numbers he's putting up. I wish I could do that kinda heavy weight like you guys, but wrist injuries and shoulder injuries really hurt my benching

how much weight on dips?

Pics of [what I use at] my gym...

Pics of [what I use at] my gym...

Backsville (you can see all the newb machines in the background): Latsville: The Bars (got some flat, incline, decline and shoulder): Dumbbells (stop at 100 ): Cables (one of two): Teh Cages (I like how the newbs used them for curls and didn't re-rack): Hammer Strength: Hammer Strength: Upstairs is cardio and aerobics area. I go up there to stretch, do crunchies and take a walk around the track to see if any scenery is on the treadmills.

I wish they had a dip station at my gym. I always go to a leg machine (where you tie a cable to your leg at the ankle) which has two parallel bars for people to stabilize themselves and I do dips off of those. Atleast my gym does have DBs up to 150 (or 140...I haven't really looked at the biggest ones yet).



those 100 lb DB's look giant, those compare to the 200s (in size) at my gym

Shaolin_sword36 says a lot about that gym

SteveO those 100 lb DB's look giant, those compare to the 200s (in size) at my gym Rubber crap. I shouldn't complain though coz rubber doesn't hurt as much during a failure. As for the gym, it's in a very rich area of the southwestern suburbs. Some of the older men are quite built or healthy, but we don't have many brolies. Mostly yuppies in the weight rooms and baby boomers and attractive older golddiggers upstairs. Occasionally there will be some hotties and cool guys my age. The gym just west of the city has a better crowd, and I'll be there soon enough since I'm moving. FYI, this gym is the best Bally's in Minneapolis, and I'll miss it.

Mugwump Rubber crap. I shouldn't complain though coz rubber doesn't hurt as much during a failure. Maybe its just consistency, but the rubber ones feel solid enough that I can go 5 lbs more without even noticing the difference.

Shaolin_sword36 We have those same god damned cages at my gym. They suck cock because the holes for the catches are so far apart. And don't lie, you're the one that was doing the curls.

I use the EZ bars (15 lbs less than the regular barbells).

those cages blow..

y?

Mugwump y? pin layout is awfull

Fuck, nice ballys, ...My Ballys fuckin sucks nuts. Its half of half of that. Jesus its pathetic.

White Fuck, nice ballys, ...My Ballys fuckin sucks nuts. Its half of half of that. Jesus its pathetic. Like I said, it's the nicest Bally's here. We have several of them, and there are some bad ones.

vettedude those cages blow..

They get the job done. Post a pic of a good cage. I'd like to see what I'm missing.

Mugwump They get the job done. Post a pic of a good cage. I'd like to see what I'm missing. for squats / GMs they are fine...

No deadlift platform, no care! Seriously it looks pretty good :P

happens all the time in my school gym

Elfling No deadlift platform, no care! I have to take the bar from the shoulder press bench and do my deadlifts there (barbell shoulder press isn't very popular for some reason). It's kinda sad, but I usually have lots of space.

Thats a nice fucking gym.

damn, that's a nice ballys. all the ballys here in NoVA are prolly 1/4 that size, no lie. well, the weight area is 1/4 that size. the rest is taken up by a pool, indoor track, etc.

looks pretty nice.

Pics of [what I use at] my gym...

So what do you guys think of this split?

So what do you guys think of this split?

Day 1: Chest/Tris/Abds Inclinde DB bench 3x10, 1x6, 1x4 CG bench 2x10, 6x1, 4x1 Superset: DB flies & DB bench press 3x8 Decline Weighted Situp 3x10, 2x6 Day 2:back/bis Wide Lat pull downs 3x10, 1x6, 1x4 Pull ups 2x10 DB Shrugs 3x12 DB curls 3x10, 1x6, 1x4 DB Hammer curl 3x10, 1x6, 1x4 Day 3: legs/shoulder Squat 2x10, 1x6, 1x4 Deadlift 4x6 Good Morning 2x10 BB militiary press 3x10, 1x6, 1x4 Superset: DB lateral raise & Rear delt flies 3x10 About 20-22 sets a day. day 4 is rest, and day 5 starts all over, so this is done twice every 8 days. It's template of what i'll be doing for the last few months, except I'll be alternating between (2-3x10, 1x6, 1x4) with (3-4x6, 2x10) every month to spice things up.

What is with the 1x4 and 1x6?

to maintain the strength at 4 and 6 rep range.

personally I prefer the higher burnout sets at the end you might want to add BB bench and dips

Why bother with the 10 rep sets then? If you want to maintain strength and LBM, 4-6 reps should be right up there

Elfling Why bother with the 10 rep sets then? If you want to maintain strength and LBM, 4-6 reps should be right up there then i wouldn't be builing up my strength in the 10 rep range, and i wouldn't be in the optimal hytrophy rep range.

i dont even think youll be tired from that. let the 2nd and third sets follow the first. even if you lower th4e weight on the 3rd set, it gives you something to strive for next time around. also squat dead and gm on the same day is rough. do gms first, then squat to tire the muscle. alternate every few weeks b/t squat and dl. well, looking at the whole thing, just follow a max-ot program or something. itll be easier. why do CG bench b4 db bench? why superset with flies? also on back day, add a mid back movement.

So what do you guys think of this split?

Name Some Must Have Exercises in your Workout Plan Ver. 2.0

Name Some Must Have Exercises in your Workout Plan Ver. 2.0

What are some must have exercises in a workout schedule besides the obvious squats, deads, bench...

I train with a medicine ball...if you haven't done this yet...it's quite a treat. I'll warm up first by doing 2x5min. rounds of skipping/30 sec. rest interval.

shoulder press, lat pull ups, db flys, calf raises

chin ups, bentover rows

my current workout plan doesnt have squats, deads, or bench

it does have some 1 arm med ball presses though, those are interesting

reverse hypers and rotator cuff shiet

christophers bad workout plan its a compromise w/ my partner. we do leg press instead of squats, and 1 arm med ball press and decline bench press instead of flat bench. we have a plenty of back excersizes, but no real lower back stuff When summer hits we'll change back to a more conventional routine.

dank its a compromise w/ my partner. we do leg press instead of squats, and 1 arm med ball press and decline bench press instead of flat bench. we have a plenty of back excersizes, but no real lower back stuff When summer hits we'll change back to a more conventional routine. You have a shitty partner then.

tize Power jelq

dank its a compromise w/ my partner. we do leg press instead of squats, and 1 arm med ball press and decline bench press instead of flat bench. we have a plenty of back excersizes, but no real lower back stuff When summer hits we'll change back to a more conventional routine. Unless your partner is your siamese twin, you should be able to do your own workout

Prison/Upright barbell row.

Tate Press.

rows(any form), chin ups(any grip)

Dips, Wide Grip Pullups, Rows, Shoulder Press, Flyes

Name Some Must Have Exercises in your Workout Plan Ver. 2.0

Help with goals

Help with goals

I'm 6'2", about 175 lbs. I want to get stronger and look better. Cut abs, bigger arms, legs. Lose some fat and add some muscle. Maybe a goal of 190 lbs? I'm planning on a 3 days/week weight lifting routine with chest/tri, back/bi, and legs/shoulders days. And then some cardio in between. I'm thinking about using the diet thread sticky as a guide. I don't have much time for all this and I'm not sure I'll be able to make it to the gym even 3 times a week. I do have some of those resistance bands lying around here and might use them as a substitute. Anyone had experience with these at all? I'm just trying to figure out if this is the best way to get to my goal and get some other people's ideas/opinions.

Good luck gaining 15lbs and cutting simultaneously.

ralyks Good luck gaining 15lbs and cutting simultaneously. Yea... that's why I'm posting here. If I knew what I was doing, why would I bother? I understand that's supposed to be a hard thing to do. So how about a better way?

You most likely have very little muscle to cut down to, so my suggestion would be to bulk for a while.. maybe to 210lbs or so, and then cut. Remember, you're 6'2", so 210lbs wouldn't be bad at all on you (most people here would consider that fairly average, if not small, but I'm telling you 210 so you don't freak out).

Ilyusha You most likely have very little muscle to cut down to, so my suggestion would be to bulk for a while.. maybe to 210lbs or so, and then cut. Remember, you're 6'2", so 210lbs wouldn't be bad at all on you (most people here would consider that fairly average, if not small, but I'm telling you 210 so you don't freak out). That was my thought. What is a good bulking diet... and workout?

SLO2 That was my thought. What is a good bulking diet... and workout? Search for Christophers' "here's what built me a base" routine.. or you can use this one: day 1: upper body 1) flat bench- 4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) heavy triceps - 4-6 sets of 5-8 reps 3) barbell rows-4-6 sets of 8-10 reps 4) rear/side/front raises-4-5 sets of 10-15 reps 5) biceps - pick a movement and do 4 sets of whatever reps day 2: lower body 1) full squats-4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) romanian deadlift-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps 3) reverse hypers, pull through's, or back raises-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 4) heavy ab work 5) optional extra quad movement if you want "burn", but 100% not neccesary day 3: upper body #2 1) dumbell bench-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 2) volume triceps-pick an extention, 1/4 dips, etc-4-5 sets of 10-12 reps 3) chin ups/pullups-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps, weighted or not 4) overhead pressing once every 2 weeks-3-5 sets of 6-10 reps 5) biceps, pick one movement for 4-5 sets day 4: lower body #2 1) deadlifts or sumo deadlifts - 5-6 sets of singles, or triples. dont deadlift every single week. for those weeks you don't, take it easy. 2) step ups, single leg squats, lunges-3-5 sets of 8-12 reps 3) leg curls-3-6 sets of 10-12 reps 4) heavy abs A good diet would be eat a shit ton of food and then eat some more. I don't have experience in bulking, so other people may suggest something else; however, I would just eat A LOT.

Ilyusha A good diet would be eat a shit ton of food and then eat some more. I don't have experience in bulking, so other people may suggest something else; however, I would just eat A LOT. hahaha, thanks man.

And I'm not really trying to get huge... just stronger and more cut.

Help with goals

Best way to hit biseps + triceps?

Best way to hit biseps + triceps?

I do triceps together with chest and biceps with back..but, what are the best exercises to promote growth? I'm sitting with 13.5" here

synthol

Thanks for the great insight.

no problem

oh jeebus I found that preacher curls and tricep extensions work best then again I hardly do curls

drunknmunky oh jeebus I found that preacher curls and tricep extensions work best then again I hardly do curls Been doing those...vertical dips? Close grip pushups(although I'd think this would be more endurance + strength..)? I need to find an old carboard from..hm..August time that I measured my biceps on..

What the hell is going on? Well, overall, the best tricep exercises are the following: 1. Dips 2. Close-grip bench press 3. Skullcrushers 4. Tricep extension? (not sure if it's really that good). They pretty much go in the order. As for biceps...i'm not really sure, I never train them. They get enough work out (yeah i know it's sad) from pull ups, bent over rows...ect. If you are eating properly, and working out hard on your biceps and see no growth try changing up things a bit. You could try the following exercises: 1. DB bicep curls 2. BB bicep curls 3. Cable curls 4. Concentration curls 5. Preecher curls *(not in any particular order) but you should get enough workout from doing other than your arms.

genetics

preacher curls

christophers according to whom him, duh it varies person to person... almost the only exercise I do for triceps are pressdowns and CGB

triceps= reverse bench biceps= bb curl

I do like 150 reps with a 5lb DB until i get REALLY TIRED.

Gods, what's with the standard forum answers??

I did tate presses for the first time yesterday. They destroyed my tris.

christophers what kind of flat bench #'s has pressdowns given ya? can't tell you, remember I'm a body builder.. I could give a shit what my flat bench is, but 3 plates is where I'm stuck at

Tate press. Chris.. how do you do your JM presses? The vid you posted a while back (Simmons) doesn't work for me.

christophers more weight = more growth I'm not arguing that, maybe this is why my chest is so damn stubourn... I might give a powerlifting routine on it just to see how it works out, but I can never understand them /or have access to the equipment

i got better results when i trained chest/tri's on seperate days

the opposite of whatever i do.

biseps?

Grouch the opposite of whatever i do. /

I liked reverse grip curls, was definately a nice change of the routine.

I really like rack press for tris. Usually I only do maybe some hammer curls and ez bar curls for bis. I get a pretty good bi workout from back day.

I just do close grip, skull crushers and pushdowns. I probably can't bench more than 275 right now.

Ilyusha Tate press. Chris.. how do you do your JM presses? The vid you posted a while back (Simmons) doesn't work for me. http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/exercise3/jmpress.htm jmpresses are excellent

Best way to hit biseps + triceps?

brolys of OT help an inexperienced one.

brolys of OT help an inexperienced one.

A few questions... 1. Why can't I bench for shit? In 6 weeks I haven't noticed my flat bench getting better AT ALL I still struggle to do 3 reps of 8 @ 115lbs. My Decline bench press however went up from 3 reps of 8 @ 115lbs to 3 reps of 6 @ 145lbs. Whats the deal? I swear my flat bench has not imporved ONE BIT. While I'm noticing visual results on my chest my flatbench still sucks. I have a workout partener too, we pretty much eat the same after work out meal, do the same excersizes and yet... He can flat bench more than I can while Every other excersize we do, I can do more and more than him each week. Wtf is wrong with me? 2. Is milk a good after work out thing to drink? I usually get beef jerkey from the convience store on my way home. Then I drink 33gs of protien worth of milk. There's not that much food available to me So I just usually go for some microwavable food with a decent ammount of protien and a lot of milk. Is that ok?

reps = repetitions, thats when you push it up one time. sets = a set of repetitions. i think you mean you're doing 3 sets of 8 reps @ 115 lbs. just so you know and from what i understand, milk is one of the shitty forms of protein, your best bet would be eggs, whey, red meat, fish.

Your routine probably blows and from what it sounds, your diet is shit. If you are serious about it, I would read up on some stickies and just stay consistent.

ryazbeck and from what i understand, milk is one of the shitty forms of protein How is milk a "shitty" form of protein? You do know that whey is derived from milk.

Your decline bench may be more because you're doing fewer reps to a set. You don't have to do 8 reps to be going up in weight. Try putting more weight on the flat bench and aiming for 3-5 reps.

The key to a strong bench is strong triceps

Elfling Your decline bench may be more because you're doing fewer reps to a set. You don't have to do 8 reps to be going up in weight. Try putting more weight on the flat bench and aiming for 3-5 reps. noo i dont think so cuz i can do 3 sets of 8 easy as hell on 115 even 135 when i do decline bench press. i cant do 4-6 reps @ 135 on flat bench. even 6 reps of 115 is a work out. And I dont think its my tricepts because my tricepts are pretty strong compared to most average people (i still consider my self average)

vhalin noo i dont think so cuz i can do 3 sets of 8 easy as hell on 115 even 135 when i do decline bench press. i cant do 4-6 reps @ 135 on flat bench. even 6 reps of 115 is a work out. And I dont think its my tricepts because my tricepts are pretty strong compared to most average people (i still consider my self average) you've only been working out for 6 weeks so i'm gonna have to go out on a limb here and say that your triceps probably aren't that much stronger than most average people. i'd take the advice that was given above and try to decrease the number of reps and gradually up the weight. also, if you can, get a spotter and have them help you. put 135 on the bar and have them help you with the last 2 or 3 reps so that you're struggling like hell to get it up with their assistance. you also might be rushing yourself. try and take a longer break between sets if you notice that you're going too quickly.

because you're going into the gym on chest day expecting the weight you can do to magically go up. If day after day you are doing 3 x 8 x 115...then that is what you are always going to be able to do. You need to push yourself harder...put more more weight on the bar and do as much as you can. next time you go, put some 5's on each side and do 125. get as many reps as you can. you have to force your body to get stronger, it's not going to just happen.

Fail and cheat on some reps at higher weights and u'll be repping that. Sense you have a partner let him help you by spotting and put some bigger weights on. DOn't worry about failing because your muscles will get stronger.

ryazbeck and from what i understand, milk is one of the shitty forms of protein, your best bet would be eggs, whey, red meat, fish. milk protein = good

what is your routine? you might want to switch it up with dips, db bench, etc

Shaolin_sword36 what is your routine? you might want to switch it up with dips, db bench, etc beginners should stick with the same exercises for awhile

from what i understand, you dont want much fat at all post workout, and milk and beef jerky have alot of fat, unless the milk is skin.

brolys of OT help an inexperienced one.

So how's my workout?

So how's my workout?

Monday-Chest & Abs Day Incline Bench 10,8,6,4,2 with a weight increase at every level Bench Press-5x5 or 3x10 with a weight increase at the start of every new set DB Bench-4x10 weight increase at every set incline DB Becnh-4x10 weight increase at every set Decline-3x10 4x25 situps 4x25 reverse crunches 4x25 crunches with a 25pd weight Tuesday-Arms and Cardio Day Preacher Curls-4x10 alt. db curls-4x10 straight bar curls-3x10 reverse straight bar curls-3x10 tricep cable pullldown-3x10 tricep workout with db-3x10 I usualy run for about a mile and jog two miles afterwards, Wednesday-Shoulder, Legs and Abs MIlitary Press-3x10 Shoulder pull ups-3x10 Squat-3x10 lunge-3x10 Repeat of Monday's ab workout Thursday Repeat of monday without the abs Same Cardio as tuesday Friday repeat of Tuesday with abs Saturday repeat wednesday cardio also Sunday Off Day So is this a good workout, Are thier any problems? If so, what should i do to improve it?

Working out 6 days a week? In all of those days, you are working out your arms some way or another. That is a lot of arm work! You should focus more on doing exercises that focus on a lot of areas in 1 exercise.

TrickyDick8806 Monday-Chest & Abs Day Incline Bench 10,8,6,4,2 with a weight increase at every level Bench Press-5x5 or 3x10 with a weight increase at the start of every new set DB Bench-4x10 weight increase at every set incline DB Becnh-4x10 weight increase at every set Decline-3x10 Holy Overtraining! Take out the Incline db bench, take out the bench press. Alternate Db with incline and BB each week. Same for flat. Add dips. I'll let others discuss your rep sceme. 4x25 situps 4x25 reverse crunches 4x25 crunches with a 25pd weight Just do hanging leg raises and cable crunches. Tuesday-Arms and Cardio Day Preacher Curls-4x10 alt. db curls-4x10 straight bar curls-3x10 reverse straight bar curls-3x10 tricep cable pullldown-3x10 tricep workout with db-3x10 You just worked your tri's out yesterday. Do back or something. Either way, too many bicep curls, not enough tricep movements. Do closegrip and skulls. I usualy run for about a mile and jog two miles afterwards, Wednesday-Shoulder, Legs and Abs MIlitary Press-3x10 Shoulder pull ups-3x10 Squat-3x10 lunge-3x10 A shoulder pullup? No, do legs first as they are more taxing and a larger part. Squats, leg press, sldl. Shoulders do side laterals, some rear delt movements, traps and if you wish shoulder press. Repeat of Monday's ab workout Thursday Repeat of monday without the abs Same Cardio as tuesday Not necessary. Volume is too high. Friday repeat of Tuesday with abs Saturday repeat wednesday cardio also Sunday Off Day So is this a good workout, Are thier any problems? If so, what should i do to improve it? bold

So how's my workout?