Creatine + Clen

Creatine + Clen

During the ECY stack I had no concerns with [testing my rats with] CEE. Now that Ive moved [my rats] on to slightly more potent agents, I would rather not risk dehydration or the other assumed risks in the combo. Is is safe or should I hold out on [feeding my rats] the CEE till after the cycle? ib4flames.

i'm no pro, but dont creatine and clen do opposite things? i thought creatine helped retain water, and clen helped get rid of it?

not that this has to do with your question but i find this story of clen very alarming and interesting. Ack what a nightmare. 1 gram Clenbuterol was obtained, later it was measured and dissolved into water to make the proper amount ratio per ml. But looky here: Some clenbuterol, what seemed to be very little stayed on the tool which was used to move the clenbuterol from one container to another. Hey there (I thought in stuper), why dont I taste the remain and see what happens. (Can you think of something more ingeniues?--looking back, it was one of my most stupid and dangerous decisions of my life) Apparently an amount of approximately 5 - 8 miligram of clenbuterol was sublingually ingested, possibly more. (normal dose is at the microgram area), for those who dont know Clenbuterol is active at even 100 mcg. with the ~5000-8000 mcg that was ingested, some 50-80 times stronger the active dose, some unwanted effects might occur if you plan to live a healthy life, dont mistake where I have. T+30: Strange feeling, as if consciousness had changed, but not similiar to anything I ever felt. T+1h: Feeling somewhat better than normal (if only I would know what was ahead of me....) Is this clenbuterol i thought? T+2h: Heart rate is higher, but not alarming. T+3h: Eyes are open wide, and face is feeling stretched, something is building up, and fast. T+4h: Eyeballs seem to receive some greenish color besides the normal white... and quite amount of axienty had built up, dizzyness and nausea, but somewhat consciousness enhancement, certainly not a good time. T+5h: feeling quite ill, heart begins to speed up, and for the next 24 hours the heart rate stays at a steady alarming 125-135 beats per minute (WHILE LYING DOWN WITH HEAD ON PILLOW), i could hear my heart with my ear as the vains in my head and the entire body are all swallen up and beating, I can feel the blood pumping intensively, and I feel as I am ready to explode. My girlfriend urges me to get an ambulance, but I disagree, hoping its going to be fine and reassuring her i'm 'okayyyy.' My entire body was dancing to the beats of my heart; and it was the worst tune you could ever imagine. T+6h: From here on after for the next 18 hours, intense pressure in my head and limbs had built up, eyes got more wide open, and skin more stretched. T+12h: It feels as if my heart cant take it anymore as i feel it loosens in some fraile way, and begins to irregularly beat, which is extremely uncomfortable, and quite dangerous. T+13h: I get dehydrated rather easily, and my tempeature is 38 degrees celceus. T+15h: for the past hour the tempeature has risen +1 degree. I am now considering the ambulance theory (in my head), as I feel I cant take much more of this. T+16h: The pressure in the head is unbearable and keeps on increasing, the pain arises as if the skull pressures the brain and there is a psychological feeling as if brain fluid is frying the brain, from the temperature T+17h: A cold shower really helped ... ALOT. T+19h: Another shower helped. T+20h: I'm quite tired and exhusted, but in agonizing head pain fearing taking any sedatives since i dont know what interacts with this and how; i take 750mg Paracetamol. T+21h: Feeling a bit better, but still -- headache is anguishing, I am utterly exhusted and afraid to fall asleep, although possibly, i can. T+24h: Heart rate down to 120 per minute, and tempeature had decreased by two degrees the past two hours, a nice opportunity to get some sleep T+32h: Woke up.... (Thank God, I'm alive!) heart rate is still at a steady 120 beats per minute while lying down #!$#!$#!$!% T+42h: heart rate down to a steady 105 beats per minute t+70h: 65 beats per minute, lying down. For the following week, intense vain, skin, and eye pain was felt, besides the utter exhustion and the sharp pain in the center of the head. Thank God, For He saved me from my stupidity That only my faith kept me going, thougout this living nightmare. There were many side effects during the experience, of pseudohallucenogenic nature: closed and open eye visual effects, very hard stimulation; food was tasteless and meaningless, and would result in vomiting; nothing could be drank besides water, or heartburn would occur, and it did, from drinking Cola, alone. Increased sweating, and increased resperation, hard amphetamiine-like jitterness which lasted throughout the entire horryfing experience, highly-extremely increased metabolic rate, tempeature changes, general change in consciousness, ear popping, and some more things. Overall, This was my first experience with this pseudosteroidical substance, which i didnt take seriously, and i paid the price, and i'm lucky i'm alive to report it. Dont be stupid. If you cant measure something properly, and or not sure of its potency - DO NOT DO IT: as tempting or curiousing as it may be, you might not be as lucky as I was. What a nightmare Thank God its over. for your rats sake ;x

Dunken not that this has to do with your question but i find this story of clen very alarming and interesting. for your rats sake ;x wow i bet your buddy was ripped after that

My rats take it in 20mcg tab form. Not much risk of overdose there. They are at 80mcg today. While in the most general sense they would appear to have opposing impacts, but on a cellular level they have little to do with eachother. My rats are drinking a 1.5-2 gallons of water per day so I think most of the risk is mitigated, but I want to be sure.

IMHO i think that you wont look as good as if you did creatine for like 4 weeks and then ran your clen because w/ clen you are trying to lose bf and look shredded and depending on how you respond to creatine you might have water retention leaving you slightly bloated. cliffsne makes you bigger, the other makes you smaller, so run the big then the small

supposedly that is the advantage of CEE, it eliminates the hydrogen thereby eliminating the water retention. The use would be to retain as much muscle while maintaining a caloric deficit stacked with a potent metabolic enhancer.

iwishiwascool supposedly that is the advantage of CEE, it eliminates the hydrogen thereby eliminating the water retention. The use would be to retain as much muscle while maintaining a caloric deficit stacked with a potent metabolic enhancer. huh i havent done the research on CEE (haha but bought it anyway) well then i guess go for it?

Dunken not that this has to do with your question but i find this story of clen very alarming and interesting. for your rats sake ;x yea that guy was a dope i read that post on another board from him

gsteclipse97 yea that guy was a dope i read that post on another board from him yeah, he admits being an idiot, which i credit him for. but to me, just making that little of a mistake such as, mis measuring, etc and getting thoes sides? its just not worth it to fuck around with in my opinion.

the caffeine is what dehydrates you, not the ephedrine or clen

Dunken yeah, he admits being an idiot, which i credit him for. but to me, just making that little of a mistake such as, mis measuring, etc and getting thoes sides? its just not worth it to fuck around with in my opinion. if you buy the liquid pre diluted instead of makin it yourself then you should have nothing to worry about unless you are a real dope who cant measure correctly. i dont see how anyone could screw it up if you took 10 seconds to measure it and double check

I bought 500g of CEE from bulknutrition today.

How much potassium and taurine are your rats taking?

AznRyda How much potassium and taurine are your rats taking? 5g taurine, just banannas for cramps when I feel them. When I can tell the rats feel them.

i need to supp with magnesium to get rid of the cramps

The first few days were crazy. It wasnt the big muscles... just the lil ones. Id be sitting still for a while and my entire back would cramp up. Or my hands or toes.... ect. I was fine today.

Creatine + Clen

How do I permanently remove a hair?

How do I permanently remove a hair?

I wasn't sure exactly where to post this question but i figure this forum is the most appropriate where I may get serious replies. I basically have this one single hair growing on my right arm that is long. My arms are generally hairless, but i got this one hair that just keeps growing back. it is very unsightly. It is actually white colored hair (im asian) and it grows about one inch in length. Everytime i cut it or tear it out, it just grows back. It's ugly! Im afraid to cut it or pull it again cuz im afraid it might grow back thicker and thicker and become one of those nasty big thick hairs that can be seen a mile away. I seen on a TV infomercial before that there is this electronic device where you clamp over a piece of hair and you activate it to send a pulse and it supposedly sends an electronic pulse down to the root of hte hair and prevents it from growing back. So basically, my question is, how do i kill this fucker and prevent it from growing back?

just keep plucking it or shaving it. hair doesnt grow back thicker, it's a myth..that's not how your endocrine system works. just keep cutting it

Dht

superbri007 electrolysis, or laser sugery, i believe. But very very expensive. Save your hairs, I bet we'll have an Ice Age in our lifetimes hippy

I keep gettin some random hairs that grow what seems like a inch over night

Electrolysis/lasers. It's one hair, shouldn't be too expensive. See a dermatologist or even a plastic surgeon.

Burn yourself to kill your hair follicle and create forever ingrown hair?

mtnbike4522 I keep gettin some random hairs that grow what seems like a inch over night those monsters started popping up on my shoulders

just wax it/pluck it, you pussy.

~*Pogovina*~ just wax it/pluck it, you pussy. this isnt about the pain. i plucked it a few times and it just grows back. my entire arm is bare except for this one lone hair which makes me look like a freak. i want to remove it permanently.

is it that tought to just pluck it out every other week?

Phlab is it that tought to just pluck it out every other week? for the rest of my life, yes.

I believe scar tissue does not grow hairs, so you can just cut yourself. Just remember it's down the road, not across the street. Or you can just pass a razor over it everytime you take a shower, it can't be that much of an inconvenience. EDIT:If it's white, then it should not be that noticeable anyways.

How do I permanently remove a hair?

Just picked up my True Protein order v. mini review

Just picked up my True Protein order v. mini review

Just up this 50lb puppy at the post office. It turned out to a beastly thing to carry. The corners give no grip at all as pulls away like cloth, so i ended up carrying it one hand under the box and one hand over to keep its position. It was the longest 1km walk in my life... i dont think my biceps survived So I opened up the box and am greeted with a face full of chocolate powder. I guess they forgot to close the cap as the empty bottle was in one corner and the cap in the other. They gave me a crap load of choclate (to clean up after) but I only got 50g each of the other flavours. I end up mixing the entire banana bottle with just 4lb of whey. I can smell the banana but no taste at all... tastes just like plain. It mixes very well as does all instanized protein. Also, the big bags of whey were closed with a plastic tie cord thing that I just pulled off by twisting. It's a miracle I didn't get a box full whey powder in my face too. I also picked up some chocolate powder from the bottom of the box (about 50g worth) and stuffed it in my mouth because i'm an idiot like that. Tasted chocolately I don't see how it can flavour more than 1lb of whey though Costco is selling 6lb of whey for $30... wish I gone for that



Time to email them those pics and get some sort of a refund

WHere the hell did you order that from? I'm thinking you just bought that from the back of a van..

yah, I get the 5lb from costco for like $21

i really dislike that company

Ill never order from that company just based off of this thread, thats the worst packing job i have ever seen.

I'd be pissed if I got an order like that.

superbri007 that shits ghetto the owner of the company IS called doggcrap

Seriously.. Email them those pics and bitch about their shitty packing, you'll definitely get some sort of compensation.

Mistich i really dislike that company any particular reason? I think a few other people had problem with getting broken stuff with their order too, but at least they respond to email and ship fairly quick. I got my order in ten days.

Phlab Seriously.. Email them those pics and bitch about their shitty packing, you'll definitely get some sort of compensation. I've already have... no responses yet though but i'll post results as it happens

KetchupKing any particular reason? I think a few other people had problem with getting broken stuff with their order too, but at least they respond to email and ship fairly quick. I got my order in ten days. For one, Both of the BSL orders that I have recieved were very bland, and just as expensive if not more than the real BSL back in the good ole days. next, it took them 3 days to ship out both of my orders which isnt what im looking for in a good company. vettedude had ordered something on here that ended up taking 1 month to be delivered to his house, he told me the customer service was horrible....most of the time he couldnt even reach someone to talk to and when he did they pretty much just said they'd ship it out ASAP. ASAP to them was 3 weeks. i dont mean to bash the company all together, but TP < * in my book

they are the only bulk protein store that ships from Canada... they only need to beat out retail stores that sell whey 5lb at a time. (And as of this week, they're aren't even beating them on price )

damn thats nasty. i placed a huge order from them around last november and got it within 4 days, no problems at all

Mistich For one, Both of the BSL orders that I have recieved were very bland, word.

holy fucking get a refund.

KetchupKing they are the only bulk protein store that ships from Canada... they only need to beat out retail stores that sell whey 5lb at a time. (And as of this week, they're aren't even beating them on price ) doesnt SND as well?

looks tasty



dmaestro holy fucking get a refund. that just sent me an email saying they'll send me another bottle of chocolate flavouring and an extra 5lb of their whey. i guess i'm easily pleased

I emailed them twice after placing an order. No response either time. The protein tasted bland and I ended up mixing muscle milk with it.

Just picked up my True Protein order v. mini review

having to force down breakfast?

having to force down breakfast?

I have had a hard time eating breakfast lately. Even after a good night's rest, I wake up, get ready and walk to get to the dining hall and thats a good 15-20 minutes after I wake up. I will take like two bites and either feel full or have some stomach pains. Anyone else have this problem? Anything I should do?

i know what you're talking about, it happens to me sometimes, not exactly sure why it is though, i usually wait a little bit and eat, but im also not bulking, if you're bulking i'd consider just forcing that shit down and toughing out the pain and you'll get used to it.

It happens to me alot I get a big glass of water, chew up my eggs and just wash it down

i'm STARVING as soon as i wake up. to the point where i hafta keep a banana close to me to down before i can even move.

happens to me every fucking day I normally just eat Oatmeal and a banana or something and force down my Creatine, glass of water, fish oil and all taht shit then I eat alot more later

i've just been making shakes...ice, skim milk or water, 2 scoops whey, 1/2cup oats, 2 tbsp peanut butter. Goes down quick and easy and that's like 600 cals.

This happens to me on a daily basis as well... fuckin sucks. The texture of eggs gets absolutely nasty when you are literally choking them down

I used to wake up fucking starving, but my appitite has been fubared for awhile.

i'm like that in the morning too....i just try to compensate by eating more later in the day

Lysine, B12, etc to promote appetite might help

Basically all my life I never ate anything untill noon-3 pm, I was just never hungry...At night I would eat constantly, everything in sight. As long as I don't eat too much at night I'm hungry in the morning

iGNiTE This happens to me on a daily basis as well... fuckin sucks. The texture of eggs gets absolutely nasty when you are literally choking them down werd, 3 eggs max for me in the morning.

iGNiTE This happens to me on a daily basis as well... fuckin sucks. The texture of eggs gets absolutely nasty when you are literally choking them down wow i could never put that into words until you said it. eggs are the worst thing to try and put down...but the other stuff is a lot easier.

my eggs are incredible

I think im just gonna start blending my entire breakfast into a shake and pounding it 5 minutes after I wake up. Anybody ever try to grind up toast and Vector cereal?

SickLife i'm STARVING as soon as i wake up. to the point where i hafta keep a banana close to me to down before i can even move. oh my god, i thought i was the only one. I wake up, grab the banana that I leave next to my bed and eat it.

i cant eat solid food for my first meal of the day, so i always do a shake. its not hard to crap 800-1000 calories into one, which i think is a pretty good start on the day

Ceaze my eggs are incredible my eggs are incredible edible eggs

I'm the same way, takes me awhile till I can eat... try taking a b vitamin complex... and stretching upon waking up...

jaymode I have had a hard time eating breakfast lately. Even after a good night's rest, I wake up, get ready and walk to get to the dining hall and thats a good 15-20 minutes after I wake up. I will take like two bites and either feel full or have some stomach pains. Anyone else have this problem? Anything I should do? im usually still full from the previous night (when bulking). i always have to wait a bit to eat and when i do its usually beef jerky and/or a protein shake for breakfast.

having to force down breakfast?

How long have you been in the game?

How long have you been in the game?

This june will mark my 10th year of working out competitively for bbing in general. What are your gains since you started myself, I've grown 2 inches and gained over 120lbs I was 5'8 116lbs when I started.

ive been reppin compton for about 15years

Just over 3 months now. 6'3" 190 when I started - 6'3" 224 now

Filmboy44 This june will mark my 10th year of working out competitively for bbing in general. What are your gains since you started myself, I've grown 2 inches and gained over 120lbs I was 5'8 116lbs when I started. fuuuck you doubled in weight how old were you when you started? or just tell me how old you are now and ill subtract 10 for you

i started lifitng and controlling my diet a little over a year ago again after not working out or exercising since high school basically. last year i was about 240-250 and at least 30%bf if not more. i got down to about 190 and now i am at 215 and 14% at the moment and dropping. edit - and i regret letting myself go for so long. so anyone young that reads this dont do what i did. i would be so much farther along than what i am now if i had those 2-3 years extra under my belt

far too long for what I've gotten too. I need to scan some pictures of at 6-0 175lbs though.

Undefined fuuuck you doubled in weight how old were you when you started? or just tell me how old you are now and ill subtract 10 for you I am going to be 26 in June...was 16 when I started

7 months. People say I look bigger and more like someone who works out rather than just a "big guy." Whatever, I'm very far from where I want to be.

About 5 years total over a span of 10 years.

just about 1 year

Soularis About 5 years total over a span of 10 years. Is that the Iceman in your av?

offically about 17 months started 6'4" 165 now am 6'4" 225

I started about 4 months ago. I was 6'4" 178 lbs when I started and now I'm 6'4" 201 lbs

almost 3 years seriously after one year of dicking around

15 years, started about 5'2" 119 and pudgy, im 5 9ish and 260 in the offseason and compete about 215

PurEvl 15 years, started about 5'2" 119 and pudgy, im 5 9ish and 260 in the offseason and compete about 215 your interview was praised among the other guys hats off to you

almost 2 years

2.5 months gained 10 lbs newb gains so most of my went up by 1.5x or 2x

somewhere in the neighborhood of a year 6'1" 170 6'1" 230

Filmboy44 your interview was praised among the other guys hats off to you really? thanks man, I really enjoyed talking about bb'ing, it helped alot in the current state im in. Always helps me remember why i do it

PurEvl really? thanks man, I really enjoyed talking about bb'ing, it helped alot in the current state im in. Always helps me remember why i do it where is this interview you speak of i wanna see

gsteclipse97 where is this interview you speak of i wanna see seconded

gsteclipse97 where is this interview you speak of i wanna see i agree

it was a speakerphone convo with more then one person, I did it for justing and his documentry. I was very honored as well, it was nice of him to include me, he didnt have too

so, we are all gonna have some sor tof access to this documentary right?? I hioope so

How long have you been in the game?

one of the hotties from my class

one of the hotties from my class

easily one of the top 5 most gorgeous girls ive met in college. pic doesnt do her the justice. kinda sux that her and all her friends, even her sister, are just as jaw-dropping. more to come

hot is relative

hotness not found....i go for blondes...sorry (every man has his own tastes in women)

sorry mang

u guys r haters... She looks fine to me

I'm going to Berkeley in the fall. That's one of the five hottest girls you've met on campus? How's the gym? I'm guessing it does have a GHR or reverse hyper, but it's still good enough?

i have a thing for halfies and brunettes. although theres a really cute blonde frosh u guys might like. barely got to know her tho. oh and in relation to the other thread, this is the only guy from my class that's stronger than me (i think u can see why)

PreemO i have a thing for halfies and brunettes. although theres a really cute blonde frosh u guys might like. barely got to know her tho. oh and in relation to the other thread, this is the only guy from my class that's stronger than me (i think u can see why) LOL at background poster... Dude looks big, makes u look smal mang.

no GHRs or reverse hypers (yet) but we are supposedly getting a new contract with a different manufacturer than cybex who will supply a shitload of new stuff. we'll see.

sexyyy

PreemO no GHRs or reverse hypers (yet) but we are supposedly getting a new contract with a different manufacturer than cybex who will supply a shitload of new stuff. we'll see. That's what I thought. Hopefully, there'll be some new stuff when I get there.

i think she looks good...her body is bangin and ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say the pic just makes her face look weird

after 4 years here at berk, i think its an advantage to have a lack of pretty girls. cuz whenever you venture outside of berkeley, your lowered standards make every girl seem hot

how hot would you rate flavia?

eh well bezerkely is known to have an extreme shortage of good looking girls, so.. anyway, she's a cute girl, but not a "hottie" in my opinion.. not hating, just not my style.

lol, she doesnt do it for me (don't tell her that). i'm really picky and don't really go for hte mainstream type of hotness. in terms of looks, i adore natalie portman, or say kristin kreuk. subtle, but alluring. berkeley scale maybe a 7? other guys i know, former floormates, would rate her higher.

engineering did =! girls

she's "cute" not "hot"

Leo95SE engineering did =! girls i hear this all of my engineering classes are humungoid sausage fests. and the only girl in any of them is not good lookig...I am such an idiot for wastign away all of my core classes

PreemO i just about spit my drink across the room. dude looks like a.c. slater

preemo > *

vettedude i hear this all of my engineering classes are humungoid sausage fests. and the only girl in any of them is not good lookig...I am such an idiot for wastign away all of my core classes I went to an engineering school that practically WAS the "city" it was in. Imagine your engineering classes multiplied across the every piece of land within a 2 hour drive. Yeah, i don't go there anymore.

girls got the same frame

Zaffir I went to an engineering school that practically WAS the "city" it was in. Imagine your engineering classes multiplied across the every piece of land within a 2 hour drive. Yeah, i don't go there anymore. what school? blodes...

vettedude what school? blodes... says someone in texas where the hottest blondes in the world are.

one of the hotties from my class

Exercise Times?

Exercise Times?

I was wondering, is it better to work out in the heat for a shorter period of time or work out at night when its cooler for a longer period of time? Because I have been running/biking to help build some endurance and drop a few pounds that I've gained from sitting behind the computer too much. Just trying to decide weather I should work out during the day where I would sweat more yet not last as long as I do at night when its cooler Also, its a lot more comfortable than the day time Florida heat and there are no cars on the road which is a big bonus because there aren't any sidewalks

Exercise Times?

Exercise Times?

During a max deadlift what is the worst that can happen?

During a max deadlift what is the worst that can happen?

Hernia? Slipped disk?

Tearing a hamstring?

I hurt my back.

I'd say slipped disk or something.

not making the lift, fucking pussy

cavefish Tearing a hamstring?

Take some animalpak vitamins...so you'll be able to rip some hamstrings, pop some disks and then finish your rep.

if you have bad form (most people do) then you may hurt your lower back.

ibdeath

what is the worst thing anything can happen in any situation? ------> anything! wtf?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

your intestines can shoot out your ass

Peal not making the lift, fucking pussy

A big broly can come up and begin to make love with you...and the weights?

your whole back will EXPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE

wtf topic mothetfucker!!?!

yeah mothetfucker!!!!!!! :shugh]ghdddddddddddd

pokesteve you could shit your pants or rip a nasty fart right as the hot milf is walking by gawking at the weight you're lifting(true story )

lol D-GUy or rip a nasty fart right as the hot milf is walking by gawking at the weight you're lifting(true story )

blow an o-ring.... Why would you max on a deadlift anyways?

deznutz Why would you max on a deadlift anyways?

Tear a bicep.

deznutz blow an o-ring.... Why would you max on a deadlift anyways? maxing out bicep curl is one thing, deadlift another

Shaolin_sword36 maxing out bicep curl is one thing, deadlift another

i had a callous rip off. exposed very raw skin, and it stung like crazy. but i just ripped the rest of it off, and did another few sets. its healing fine.

Peal not making the lift, fucking pussy OMG YUR AN ANIMAL PEAL!lc

During a max deadlift what is the worst that can happen?

Morons at my gym....or mabe I'm the moron?

Morons at my gym....or mabe I'm the moron?

So yesterday afternoon, it was pretty dead, not a whole lot going on and not a whole lot of people at the gym. So usually, I'll see someone doing something kinda awkward once in a while....but yesterday I saw two guys doing odd stuff at the same time.... One guy is going curls with 10 lb plates on each side of a big barbell (bench-press bar)......and then this other guy is doing one arm 20 lb curls...with a fucking barbell. Now there was adequate equipment around that was being unused..... So are these guys morons or am I missing something here? Is there some kind of benefit to using a longer bar for balance or...???

1 arm curls with a longbar?

well the one arm curls with a barbell could be used to wrist strenght.

Grouch well the one arm curls with a barbell could be used to wrist strenght. every damn thread man, every damn thread!

Peal every damn thread man, every damn thread!

Peal every damn thread man, every damn thread! lots of people do one arm BB curls

ryazbeck 1 arm curls with a longbar? what the hell......1 arm curls with a bb?

deznutz what the hell......1 arm curls with a bb? it's a cool exercise

an interesting one is using BB's as DB's for shrungs. IE take two BB's put em in a power rack, and shrug as if they where big huge DB's...

vettedude an interesting one is using BB's as DB's for shrungs. IE take two BB's put em in a power rack, and shrug as if they where big huge DB's...

deznutz what the hell......1 arm curls with a bb? Yeah, I was like wtf? And then the other dude is doing 65lb (10 lb plates) standing curls with a big ass bench press bar

vettedude an interesting one is using BB's as DB's for shrungs. IE take two BB's put em in a power rack, and shrug as if they where big huge DB's...

vettedude an interesting one is using BB's as DB's for shrungs. IE take two BB's put em in a power rack, and shrug as if they where big huge DB's...

Fabian Yeah, I was like wtf? And then the other dude is doing 65lb (10 lb plates) standing curls with a big ass bench press bar Yeah thats called a standing straight bar curl, whats your point?

hey when you dont have heavy dumbells, you gotta figure somethign out.

vettedude hey when you dont have heavy dumbells, you gotta figure somethign out. another advantage is that you can shrug in the cage, facing the side. put the safeties just below hand height and load the bar with weights. No worriest about DLing anything up

something i love to do is to use a BB for leg presses. i just lay backwards on a bench, balance the BB on the middle parts of my feet, unrack, and press that shit.

this is not strange

cavefish Yeah thats called a standing straight bar curl, whats your point? .

Fabian And then the other dude is doing standing curls with a big ass bench press bar that's only about the best biceps exercise that exists

i lay down in a leg press machine upside down and use it as an incline bench. it actually helps me learn how to lift with all the blood rushed to my head. it takes a lot of self control and discipline. not to mention years and years of experience. try it.

vettedude an interesting one is using BB's as DB's for shrungs. IE take two BB's put em in a power rack, and shrug as if they where big huge DB's... do this after poping an animal pack

mtnbike4522 do this after poping an animal pack nigga plz, i'm animal withou the packs

why aren't they using the power rack for curls like most people?

vettedude an interesting one is using BB's as DB's for shrungs. IE take two BB's put em in a power rack, and shrug as if they where big huge DB's... I do rack deadlifts like that.

Morons at my gym....or mabe I'm the moron?

4.7.05 1rm - Squat 315lbs

4.7.05 1rm - Squat 315lbs

Passed my goal of 300!!!!! Anyone care to post their 1rm on Squat?

Mine is a little more than that now. Good job 3 wheels feels good huh?

Neo22 Mine is a little more than that now. Good job 3 wheels feels good huh? yeah it does...i was so pumped just putting them on

305 - I want to make it the three 45s. Soon enough!

335 baby, one step ahead!!

Nice, I have been battling a fever and bronchitis all week and went in and did 275 x 5, I was pretty impressed.

christophers 695 Weak sauce.

christophers 695 Nuthin but a peanut

christophers 695 100 bucks says you can do 700

just curious but why the hell do you people do this 1 rep shit?

PurEvl just curious but why the hell do you people do this 1 rep shit? I never maxed out on Squat's before so i thought id give it a try, im going to go back to 300lb or less and work my way up.... Plus we have a strongman competition at the university...i might enter myself

295 i think. Thats from pyramiding up

last time i maxed i got 245 up

PurEvl just curious but why the hell do you people do this 1 rep shit? it make me feel like a big man

Jeg1983 it make me feel like a big man your a pl'er your not trying to get bigger, correct?

christophers pl'rs are always trying to get bigger but stay in their weight class, more muscle = helpful either way you slice it but not in a vanity way. I didnt think dez was trying to be a pl'er? Noobs hammering big weight for 1 rep maxes is nothing more then a recipe for injury.

PurEvl but not in a vanity way. I didnt think dez was trying to be a pl'er? Noobs hammering big weight for 1 rep maxes is nothing more then a recipe for injury. Agreed plus I have lost a bit of size since going pure pling

435 beginning of march. i never do maxes during my workout. i only did it that one time b/c it was a powermeet and i just wanted to see where i was.

PurEvl but not in a vanity way. I didnt think dez was trying to be a pl'er? Noobs hammering big weight for 1 rep maxes is nothing more then a recipe for injury. negative, not going the pl'er way....

Good job. I don't do 1RM's anymore, just rep a bunch at 225, but my previous max was 405.

I think im going to try that 20 rep squat routine

more than you, less than chris

335. but i was about 160 at the time. too heavy for 148 & too light for 165. heh.

deznutz negative, not going the pl'er way.... exactly, he's saying quit risking injury with the 1rm crap

Ed Goan never 1RM'd in the gym btw. His totals were something like 2200lbs which was a record in his class that stood for 17 years

4.7.05 1rm - Squat 315lbs

best pic up line ever:

best pic up line ever:

"do these pants make me look fat?" "no honey, the fat makes you look fat"

jonno "do these pants make me look fat?" "no honey, the fat makes you look fat" "Does this shirt make me look fat?" "No, your face does." Tommy Boy > *

Dude, seriously... Thats fucking stupid but I actully laughed out loud.

"Do these pants make my ass look big?" "No, your fat ass makes your fat ass look big"

I lost my teddy bear...want to sleep with me tonight

Leb_CRX I lost my teddy bear...want to sleep with me tonight

By the way, the best pick up line is the one where you punch the girl in the ovaries and say, "how bout them apples?" When she says that those are ovaries and not apples, you take out a sack of apples and beat her with it.

jonno

Ilyusha By the way, the best pick up line is the one where you punch the girl in the ovaries and say, "how bout them apples?" When she says that those are ovaries and not apples, you take out a sack of apples and beat her with it. I liked the one you said about the cloth smelling like cloraform better.

D-GUy I liked the one you said about the cloth smelling like cloraform better. "Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

Ilyusha By the way, the best pick up line is the one where you punch the girl in the ovaries and say, "how bout them apples?" When she says that those are ovaries and not apples, you take out a sack of apples and beat her with it. I use almost the same line but with a claw hammer.

best pic up line ever:

Had a fascinating lecture today in Nutrition of Aging class...

Had a fascinating lecture today in Nutrition of Aging class...

We talked about calorie restriction and it's relation to life span. Apparently there are monkeys and mice on restricted calorie diets that live 2-4x longer than regular monkeys. Low cal/high nutrient diet drastically slow down the aging process, but the reasons are unknown. I suggested to my teacher it was because hormones like testosterone and IGF are lower in a caloric deficit, and she didn't even know that happened. You guys heard anything about it? Any opinions, reasons why it exists? I found it a pretty interesting lecture whereas I usually fall asleep in class.

Is it the same study that had monkeys and mice eat only every other day?

I thought it was something about free radicals

similarly why vegans/vegitarians tend to live longer, they consume less calories.

I actually heard about this a year or two ago, but it was people not mice who were experimenting on themselves. Quite frankly, they may live longer but they sounded a bit depressed about having to eat so little. Perhaps less calories=slower metabolism=less work on internal organs and such=longer life?

I was watching Penn & Teller Bullshit the other day, and they had on a guy that was on a big caloric deficit (or at least really low cal)...he was starting to get osteoperosis

I blame it on mcdonald's I blame it all on mcdonald's

i think when one of my profs covered it, he mentioned the reduced reproductive capability on caloric restriction. because energy isn't diverted to reproductive systems, things are easier for the body.

tize who wants to live to 100 anyway i would. if i were healthy.

Werdna We talked about calorie restriction and it's relation to life span. Apparently there are monkeys and mice on restricted calorie diets that live 2-4x longer than regular monkeys. Low cal/high nutrient diet drastically slow down the aging process, but the reasons are unknown. I suggested to my teacher it was because hormones like testosterone and IGF are lower in a caloric deficit, and she didn't even know that happened. You guys heard anything about it? Any opinions, reasons why it exists? I found it a pretty interesting lecture whereas I usually fall asleep in class. The authors of that study should have some discussion on the result

evi1eddie i think when one of my profs covered it, he mentioned the reduced reproductive capability on caloric restriction. because energy isn't diverted to reproductive systems, things are easier for the body. we're going to die sooner if we more? shit i hope I survive into my 30s

Had a fascinating lecture today in Nutrition of Aging class...

GNC Super Whey...

GNC Super Whey...

Is it any good? I am currently taking it. Its some blue berry flavor. It really tastes good. I just take it an hour after working out. It says I should be getting about 40g of protein. Should I take more throughout the day? Thanks for any info.

How much does it cost?

Draco How much does it cost? like $35 for 14 servings (the small tub) but i like the flavor so much, i might go back and buy the big tubs "Mega WheyT combines 40 grams of whey protein per serving with 5 grams of glutamine and 3 grams of branched chain amino acids BCAA. "



deznutz thanks for the input...

i picked some of it last month when GNC was having a big sale... I take it about an hour before my lift and about 30 minutes after... i got the multi berry flavor, or whatever... it was 26 bucks for the 5 pound jug... pretty much the only reason why i got it... i hate GNC

and how much do you way? you should be getting about 1.5-2g's of protein per pound of body weight

MaineSucks and how much do you way? you should be getting about 1.5-2g's of protein per pound of body weight i weigh about 180-185 lbs

illustrious like $35 for 14 servings (the small tub) but i like the flavor so much, i might go back and buy the big tubs " Bleh, way to much $.

Draco Bleh, way to much $. so whats a better alternative?

illustrious so whats a better alternative? optimum nutrition

aenz optimum nutrition dot only reason I bought the GNC whey is that it was on sale... and my parents gave me a GNC gift card for Christmas. I hate GNC. online store = your friend. best tasting protein IMO is ProLab's Advanced Whey... tastes like Chocolate cotton candy and only has 3g's of carbs, only 25g's per scoop, tho and its usually cheap... the Vitamin Shoppe by my house had 5lbs for 26 bucks... bodybuilding.com's store is selling a 2lb jug for 18 right now. do some research on the net, there are so many protein companies/flavors/options out there. trail and error

best times to take are in the morning, since your body is depleted, and after your workout. if the protein is an isolate it will release throughout the day and you can take your whole server in the morning, then one after your workout. if it isnt an isolate you might want to take the servings in a broken up manner. i think the average person can make use of about 25g of protein per hour.

MaineSucks dot only reason I bought the GNC whey is that it was on sale... and my parents gave me a GNC gift card for Christmas. I hate GNC. online store = your friend. best tasting protein IMO is ProLab's Advanced Whey... tastes like Chocolate cotton candy and only has 3g's of carbs, only 25g's per scoop, tho and its usually cheap... the Vitamin Shoppe by my house had 5lbs for 26 bucks... bodybuilding.com's store is selling a 2lb jug for 18 right now. do some research on the net, there are so many protein companies/flavors/options out there. trail and error does the pro lab's advanced whey mix well? this mega whey mixes so well with water, i dont have to add anything at all.

GNC Super Whey...

Flax or Fish Oil

Flax or Fish Oil

what up.... Ok I've been reading a lot about both fish and flaxseed... their benefits and what not. It goes back and forth saying flax is better...and fish is better... In your experience's what do you like better fish or flax... both health and cutting results.

take both

fish is higher omega 3 levels flax is more balanced 3,6,9

SteveO fish is higher omega 3 levels flax is more balanced 3,6,9 taking both at same time or alternate it....

Like christophers said if you HAVE to pick one make it Fish Oil, if not take both.

what about them fish burpss

QuePuto what about them fish burpss take em before bed

QuePuto what about them fish burpss or freeze them

QuePuto what about them fish burpss The ones I get have this special coating on them so they don't completely disolve until they reach the lower intestine (supposidly). I forget the name of the coating, but I got this big bottle of them at Sam's Club. Although I never had any fish stank from the uncoated capsules.

Draco The ones I get have this special coating on them so they don't completely disolve until they reach the lower intestine (supposidly). I forget the name of the coating, but I got this big bottle of them at Sam's Club. Although I never had any fish stank from the uncoated capsules. I get the enteric coated ones at Sam's Club, too.

CrackSeed I get the enteric coated ones at Sam's Club, too. the enteric coating smells kinda like marshmallows but i buy the omega complex from Sam's club: Borage, Flax, Fish, and Safflower Oils all in one capsule I take two in the morning and two before bed, i usually get one or two fish burps about 30 minutes after taking em

CrackSeed I get the enteric coated ones at Sam's Club, too. Sam's club eh... damn pay for another membership....hmmm

christophers if you pick one, then fish oil

Been on Fish oil for almost a month now and have yet to get these "fish burps"

Im new to this fish/flax stuff...how is this for the good balance of intake... take 6 fish gelcaps and 6 flax caps daily... too little too much.

Flax Seed Benefits vs. Fish Oil Benefits Flax seed oil benefits are numerous, and as such flax seed has been recommended in recent years as an essential part of a healthy diet. However, new evidence has emerged that although flaxseed is important, fish oil might be an even better source of Omega-3 fatty acids. What are flax seed oil benefits and how can it help you? Flax seed, also known as linseed, is an ancient crop that has been harvested all over the world. Its therapeutic properties have long been touted, as ancient peoples used it to soothe abdominal pains and aid digestion. Flax seed oil contains Omega-3 fatty acids, which have incredible immunity boosting qualities, meaning they can help your body fight off illness and disease. They also contain anti-inflammatory properties which may help manage depression, cancer and even slow the aging process. Most people are Omega-3 deficient, which is why it is so important to supplement your diet with them. The main flax seed oil benefits lie in its ALA fatty acid content. However, in order to be optimally effective ALA must be converted to long-chain Omega-3 fats in the body, and many people, especially the elderly, do not have efficient internal mechanisms to achieve this. What is a better source of Omega-3 Fatty Acids? Recent studies have shown that fish oil may be a better source for the Omega-3 fatty acids that your body needs. Fish oil, harvested from cold water fish, contains the fatty acids DHA and EPA. Research points to the fact that DHA and EPA have more therapeutic value than ALA found in flax seed oil. Also, DHA and EPA do not have to be converted, as they are already long-chain Omega-3 fats and are easily absorbed in the body. So the Omega-3 fatty acids in fish oil are better for your health than those found in flax seed oil, because they are more easily utilized by your body and are more powerful and therapeutic. You can increase flax seed oil benefits by substituting or adding fish oil to your diet. How Can You Find A High Quality Fish Oil Product? Only fish oils contain the special benefits of DHA and EPA Omega-3 fatty acids. So it's important that you find a high quality fish oil product so you can get the maximum health benefits. Some things to keep in mind: 1) Natural fish oils are oftentimes contaminated with heavy metals such as mercury. 2) Most fish oil in capsule form does not come from the country where it is harvested, meaning there are often additives to make sure it stays fresh through all the extra handling and processing. 3) Many fish oils contain low levels of DHA, which is the most important component. Therefore, you need to find a pure fish oil product that does not have any of the drawbacks mentioned above.

Flax or Fish Oil

Cardio? Shirt available

Cardio? Shirt available

Since i only posted this somewhere in the t-shirt sticky and i have a feeling people haven't seen it, those of you that wanted the Cardio? Is that Spanish? shirt can get it at http://www.cafepress.com/brolywear/ for whatever the cafepress base price is. I also made a no gym for home shirt, but because you are only allowed 1 design per shirt type, i had to mix up the type of shirts that are available. If anyone really wants a specific type of shirt, let me know.

Chris3G Since i only posted this somewhere in the t-shirt sticky and i have a feeling people haven't seen it, those of you that wanted the Cardio? Is that Spanish? shirt can get it at http://www.cafepress.com/brolywear/ for whatever the cafepress base price is. I also made a no gym for home shirt, but because you are only allowed 1 design per shirt type, i had to mix up the type of shirts that are available. If anyone really wants a specific type of shirt, let me know. NGFH in a babydoll tee?

~*Pogovina*~ NGFH in a babydoll tee? sure, do you want the small "NGFH?" text on the front pocket area also, or just the large text on the back?

Just For The Record. That Was My Idea! lc

man that no gym for home shirt sucks

cardio spanish! loving it!

http://forums.offtopic.com/showpost....2&postcount=72

i'm poor as fuck, but i may have to buy one of those

Chris3G sure, do you want the small "NGFH?" text on the front pocket area also, or just the large text on the back? on the front too, please (any other color options? )

looks like they only have white in the baby doll style

Chris3G looks like they only have white in the baby doll style that's ok, better than lime green

NGFH? N**** get fuckin huge?

drunknmunky NGFH? N**** get fuckin huge? no gym for home

~*Pogovina*~ no gym for home

any chance there could be a cardio/spanish shirt with the whole phrase on either the front or the back?

wtf? i thought the no gym for home shirt was going to have the long ass paragraph on the back side

i would make your graphics a lot larger or else they won't look nearly that good when printed on a shirt

i do like the idea of spanish/cardio on the same side.

do they have black or grey shirts? I dont wear white

My hero...

christophers for fucks sake who cares about the no gym for home shirt. i would put money on about 1 to 2 people ACTUALLY buying them. make the text all on 1 side on the cardio shirt and ill buy one i just made one like this with the full text on the back, all lettering same size. that's as big as it gets.

christophers ringer T? does it cost you anything to add shirts? the problem is they only let you have 1 type of each shirt in the store at the same time. So, if you want to order it, i'll make that design as a ringer t , delete the one that is there, and then you can go in and put the order through.

christophers ok well if u make a ringer ill order 1 now. ill order a plain 1, but would prefer a ringer ok i made it a ringer for you

Do they ship to Cananda? How much does it cost?

ringers annoy me

Cardio? Shirt available

christoff is a big tuff guy.

christoff is a big tuff guy.

editing and deleting my intelligently thought out posts. it took me 3 minutes to right out that shit you deleted in one click.

christoff is a big tuff guy.

christoff is a big tuff guy.

critique me *pic*

critique me *pic*

not the best pic, but its the most recent Ive got without a shirt on. not a great angle either but, tell me what needs improvement and what I *should* be doing thanks !

oh yeah, I just started cutting a few weeks ago. I hate this shit also, 6'2'' 210-215lbs

why is someone taking pics of you shirtless looking at condimints? Also look pretty good to me, work your upper pec more for now

stop shopping at albertson's first off

PurEvl why is someone taking pics of you shirtless looking at condimints? Also look pretty good to me, work your upper pec more for now can you explain why women do the things they do ? neither can I

Mass stop shopping at albertson's first off their lowfat cottage cheese is sooo good

PurEvl why is someone taking pics of you shirtless looking at condimints? Also look pretty good to me, work your upper pec more for now I agree with what the fat man said

take a better picture! like front and back.

your not asian why do u have that sauce!

AmCo your not asian why do u have that sauce!

AmCo your not asian why do u have that sauce! its good stuff, been using it for years

that stuff in your hand is good. work your pecs, looks good, you should bulk

You look good.. just get bigger. Especially the upper chest.

Delts and arms look good, work on upper chest. But you look big, I can't wait until i'm at that weight and lean.

kdubb's on the sauce!?!?!?!

Mass kdubb's on the sauce!?!?!?! obviously, look at the sex muscle

you kind of look like this guy Dominick Toretto I used to know. Worked at a small grocery store, drove a red rx7.

Mass kdubb's on the sauce!?!?!?! i think I might have some juice in the fridge as well

Socrates you kind of look like this guy Dominick Toretto I used to know. Worked at a small grocery store, drove a red rx7. did he have NOS?

No, NAWWWWZZZZZZ!!11!!!!

SteveO did he have NOS? Yes! Under his seat....

ibvindiesel?

SteveO obviously, look at the sex muscle

step 1) stop being bigger than me

whats your diet look like?

critique me *pic*

Is all natural a thing of the past?

Is all natural a thing of the past?

It seems like so many people are using stuff now days. I never took anything, not even creatine. I dunno, I guess Id rather get there without using anything ya know? Im sure there are a ton of people out there who DONT use anything, it just seems like most are, ya know?

a lot of people are all natural, a lot of people juice.... either way their results are more directly correlated with their motivation and knowledge so i dont see what the big deal is

im guessing youve never used protein either and you weigh 140

Actually im 6', 220. all natural.

i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural?

Widowmaker Actually im 6', 220. all natural. % body fat?

XsLiCk i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural? you also eat food with creatine in it

XsLiCk i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural? well your body produces creatine, and testosterone, just not in the same levels as you get from supplements.

protein is something you need to build muscle, regardless if it is "natural' in your eyes....got any pics?

Honestly never check it. I can post my pic if youd like. My maxes are... Bench:260 ( i suck at bench) Squat: 450 Dead: 505

out. i routinely take bcaa's, and cycle creatine and ecy stacks here and there.

infinite loop out. i routinely take bcaa's, and cycle creatine and ecy stacks here and there. Then you still are natural

Best pic I got...

Video of 500 deadlift?

And please dont think Im knocking people who do use them or anything cuz im not.

I don't consider creatine/protein as "not natural". roids i would consider cheating.

Hip Hippo Video of 500 deadlift? This is just like racing huh, no timeslip, no care. Sorry no vids, I THINK i have one of 405 somewhere lol. But that's a far cry. I dont expect yall to believe me.

If it doesn't change hormonal levels to unhuman levels then it is natural to me and on that note, I am all natural.

Widow you are naturally big which is cool for you. A lot of people are naturally very skinny or small so its much harder to get as big as someone who has better phsycial genetics. My brother and I are opposites. We come from the same parents except he got certain traits that I didnt. He is taller, and can build muscle mass extremely quickly. He sees almost double the gains I see on the same workout programs. I have a runners body while he has a bulkers/bodylifter body. For me to see the same gains he gets I need to take in more protein and stuff like that. Also my metabolism is insane which means its very hard for me to keep any fat or weight gain while him on the other hand will keep all of his weight gain. If your body was of different gentics you would understand why people take supplements.

guestDJ Widow you are naturally big which is cool for you. A lot of people are naturally very skinny or small so its much harder to get as big as someone who has better phsycial genetics. My brother and I are opposites. We come from the same parents except he got certain traits that I didnt. He is taller, and can build muscle mass extremely quickly. He sees almost double the gains I see on the same workout programs. I have a runners body while he has a bulkers/bodylifter body. For me to see the same gains he gets I need to take in more protein and stuff like that. Also my metabolism is insane which means its very hard for me to keep any fat or weight gain while him on the other hand will keep all of his weight gain. If your body was of different gentics you would understand why people take supplements. he probably eats more than you

jonno he probably eats more than you not really. I was illustrating how some people may need more intake depending on their metabolism mainly. I need to eat 3 bigmacs while my bro needs only one type of deal.

to each their own speaking of car racing is nos cheating? what about slicks? or what about stripping the car, or what about... you get the point to each their own, I take protein now, might take creatine in a couple of month

Just do your own thing and dont care about anyone else's biznass.

personally, its natural if I can get it in my diet, , ie protein, creatine, etc. I'm pretty sure I can't get steriods or prohormones from my diet

Mass Just do your own thing and dont care about anyone else's biznass. exactly

Is all natural a thing of the past?

ATTN: Timber

ATTN: Timber

What is your ab routine? Right now I am just doing dragon flairs and V sits with shoulders and weighted side bends with arms. I think my routine might need some revision.

ATTN TIZE how many times did your mom drop you on your head?

tize 2x less than you have never been laid

tize 2x less than you have never been laid that was so funny I forgot to laugh

Mike McShit Is this McDermott with a new name?

ACURA TL-S Is this McDermott with a new name? yeah its some dumb main forum shit btw quit quoting Tize, hes on my IL for a reason.

Mike McShit Fazle changed my name. He also did this to 404notfound. Check the archives for details. Were you involved in a thread that may or may not have pertained to a masturbating rat?

ACURA TL-S What is your ab routine? Right now I am just doing dragon flairs and V sits with shoulders and weighted side bends with arms. I think my routine might need some revision. Before this week I rarely did abs. Though most of my abs workouts consisted of variations of straight legged hanging raises. This week I'm doing them with the the back support on the dipping bar, low reps but with isometric holds at various positions. I was pretty much doing alot of pullups, almost always keeping my legs parallel to the floor. What are dragon flairs?

timberwolf Before this week I rarely did abs. Though most of my abs workouts consisted of variations of straight legged hanging raises. This week I'm doing them with the the back support on the dipping bar, low reps but with isometric holds at various positions. I was pretty much doing alot of pullups, almost always keeping my legs parallel to the floor. What are dragon flairs? Intriguing, I might have to do some pullups like that. I am not a big fan of hanging leg raises as they seem to work my hip flexors more than my abs, but I do like supported leg raises (using the dip bar) especially with a DB or medicine ball between my feet. Dragon flairs are kind of tough to explain, but I will try. Lay on a bench and grab hold of it behind your head. Then lift your legs and but and thrust your legs away from your head bringing your legs back to a lying position as slow as possible. So in other words bend at the abs and use the weight and momentum of your legs to do a negative. They hurt like hell and are probably my favorite and the most difficult ab movement. There was a T-mag article a while ago that I got them from, but I can't for the life of me find it.

ACURA TL-S Intriguing, I might have to do some pullups like that. I am not a big fan of hanging leg raises as they seem to work my hip flexors more than my abs, but I do like supported leg raises (using the dip bar) especially with a DB or medicine ball between my feet. Dragon flairs are kind of tough to explain, but I will try. Lay on a bench and grab hold of it behind your head. Then lift your legs and but and thrust your legs away from your head bringing your legs back to a lying position as slow as possible. So in other words bend at the abs and use the weight and momentum of your legs to do a negative. They hurt like hell and are probably my favorite and the most difficult ab movement. There was a T-mag article a while ago that I got them from, but I can't for the life of me find it. Isn't that a dragon flag??

timberwolf Isn't that a dragon flag?? Check your pm's

ACURA TL-S Intriguing, I might have to do some pullups like that. I am not a big fan of hanging leg raises as they seem to work my hip flexors more than my abs, but I do like supported leg raises (using the dip bar) especially with a DB or medicine ball between my feet. Dragon flairs are kind of tough to explain, but I will try. Lay on a bench and grab hold of it behind your head. Then lift your legs and but and thrust your legs away from your head bringing your legs back to a lying position as slow as possible. So in other words bend at the abs and use the weight and momentum of your legs to do a negative. They hurt like hell and are probably my favorite and the most difficult ab movement. There was a T-mag article a while ago that I got them from, but I can't for the life of me find it. As I said, before working them out regularly again this week, I had noticed lately my abs being almost constantly sore despite lack of direct work. Only thing I could attribute it too is the pullups and possibly single arm pushups. Once in awhile I did like doing seated straight legged leg raises supersetted with crunches off a bench.

yeah, dragon flags



so you can target lower abs

damn why do i only have lower abs... my top two abs are the smallest... WACK... anyone have any GOOD advice

timberwolf Isn't that a dragon flag?? Damn, no wonder I couldn't find the article.

ACURA TL-S Damn, no wonder I couldn't find the article. Heh. Do you do it from a decline bench or flat? Last time I did it put alot of pain on my elbows.

I need to start whooping more ass in abs... that's a huge problem area for me

ATTN: Timber

I am immune to cutting. :wtf:

I am immune to cutting. :wtf:

I have been cutting for 2 weeks now. I have about one cheat meal per week (usually when I am out with my gf). I have had 2 alcoholic beverages in these 2 weeks. Out of the 14 days, I have been at 2500 calories/day +/- 200 calories. My diet has been basically 40-50% protein, 25% fat, and the rest carbs. I haven't lost a fucking pound. This doesn't make sense..

Ilyusha I have been cutting for 2 weeks now. I have about one cheat meal per week (usually when I am out with my gf). I have had 2 alcoholic beverages in these 2 weeks. Out of the 14 days, I have been at 2500 calories/day +/- 200 calories. My diet has been basically 40-50% protein, 25% fat, and the rest carbs. I haven't lost a fucking pound. This doesn't make sense.. how much cardio are you doing?

ummm your body wont even start to lose until its adjusts to the diet, it takes me 4 weeks to get into the burning zone. Also you have been cheating your first two weeks in and drinking? Ummm let us know when you start cutting for real

gsteclipse97 how much cardio are you doing? 1-2 times/week, ~20 mins each time. I'm easing into it..

PurEvl ummm your body wont even start to lose until its adjusts to the diet, it takes me 4 weeks to get into the burning zone. Also you have been cheating your first two weeks in and drinking? Ummm let us know when you start cutting for real I thought that as long as I keep my calories at ~12x body weight, I should be fine. That's what I've been doing, and my cheat days haven't been very bad at all (maybe 3500 calories, or maintenance). What should I do?

Ilyusha 1-2 times/week, ~20 mins each time. I'm easing into it.. i didnt see anything till i was doing at least 4 days at 30 mins. now after about 6 weeks of 5 days 30 mins weight loss has slowed. up the cardio, drop the cheat meals and alcohol if you really wanna see results. if i can do it you can, i havent drank but once this year

Ilyusha I thought that as long as I keep my calories at ~12x body weight, I should be fine. That's what I've been doing, and my cheat days haven't been very bad at all (maybe 3500 calories, or maintenance). What should I do? i would suggest lowering your cals. but thats just my opinion

gsteclipse97 i didnt see anything till i was doing at least 4 days at 30 mins. now after about 6 weeks of 5 days 30 mins weight loss has slowed. up the cardio, drop the cheat meals and alcohol if you really wanna see results. if i can do it you can, i havent drank but once this year Hmm.. well the reason I had alcohol and one of the 2 cheat days is because I had my 4 year anniversary this past weekend.. I will try and up the cardio. I haven't even had that "water weight" dramatic loss that everyone says they have in the first couple weeks.

lower callories more

vettedude lower callories more That's gonna suck.

Ilyusha Hmm.. well the reason I had alcohol and one of the 2 cheat days is because I had my 4 year anniversary this past weekend.. I will try and up the cardio. I haven't even had that "water weight" dramatic loss that everyone says they have in the first couple weeks. i didnt have any dramatic loss at all when i got goin steady, just 2lbs a week or so. try to go at least 2-3 weeks with no cheating to see if the diet etc is working correctly.

Ilyusha That's gonna suck. indeed

gsteclipse97 i didnt have any dramatic loss at all when i got goin steady, just 2lbs a week or so. try to go at least 2-3 weeks with no cheating to see if the diet etc is working correctly. Alright, I'll see if I can do that. I was aiming at 1.5-2lbs/week loss.. and I didn't even get that. It's disheartening..

Ilyusha That's gonna suck. i wouldnt lower them yet, i have been cutting at 12xbw for 6 weeks and its been fine. i think if you up the cardio to at least 30 mins 4-5 days and no cheating you will see results

Ilyusha Alright, I'll see if I can do that. I was aiming at 1.5-2lbs/week loss.. and I didn't even get that. It's disheartening.. you will if you do that, i have been except for the last 2 weeks but that was after a 12lb or so loss. liek i said if i can do it you can i have never been a lean guy and i am on my way.

gsteclipse97 i wouldnt lower them yet, i have been cutting at 12xbw for 6 weeks and its been fine. i think if you up the cardio to at least 30 mins 4-5 days and no cheating you will see results how much do u weigh? u clould be leaner than him, I am at about 228, and i dont think i am eating 2400 cals a day..

gsteclipse97 you will if you do that, i have been except for the last 2 weeks but that was after a 12lb or so loss. liek i said if i can do it you can i have never been a lean guy and i am on my way. I didn't think cardio was as important as diet, if I was pretty serious with the diet (which I think I was). I guess I have to rethink how to lose this excess weight..

Ilyusha I didn't think cardio was as important as diet, if I was pretty serious with the diet (which I think I was). I guess I have to rethink how to lose this excess weight.. i rarely do cardio...

vettedude how much do u weigh? u clould be leaner than him, I am at about 228, and i dont think i am eating 2400 cals a day.. i was at close to 230 when i started now around 215. i have been eating close to 2600+- cals a day. i didnt think the cardio was as big of deal either till someone gave me some insight and next thing you know big difference. i went from 18 to 14% bf in like 6 weeks

i am just recommending what i am doing because from seeing you it seems like you have a little more muscle mass than me but similar amount of fat and body type

gsteclipse97 i was at close to 230 when i started now around 215. i have been eating close to 2600+- cals a day. i didnt think the cardio was as big of deal either till someone gave me some insight and next thing you know big difference. i went from 18 to 14% bf in like 6 weeks I was quite a bit higher than 18% when i started...

vettedude I was quite a bit higher than 18% when i started... so was i, i was at least 30%

gsteclipse97 i was at close to 230 when i started now around 215. i have been eating close to 2600+- cals a day. i didnt think the cardio was as big of deal either till someone gave me some insight and next thing you know big difference. i went from 18 to 14% bf in like 6 weeks I'm ~235 right now, closer to 230. I'll keep going with the diet and try to add in more cardio and see if that helps.

once you get going if you have to cheat once i a while ok, but i would try very hard to not for the first 2-4 weeks so that your body can adjust

Lower calories. or Increase cardio. And what exactly are you eating? Are you keeping a food log or are you just guessing?

I am immune to cutting. :wtf: