Creatine + Clen

Creatine + Clen

During the ECY stack I had no concerns with [testing my rats with] CEE. Now that Ive moved [my rats] on to slightly more potent agents, I would rather not risk dehydration or the other assumed risks in the combo. Is is safe or should I hold out on [feeding my rats] the CEE till after the cycle? ib4flames.

i'm no pro, but dont creatine and clen do opposite things? i thought creatine helped retain water, and clen helped get rid of it?

not that this has to do with your question but i find this story of clen very alarming and interesting. Ack what a nightmare. 1 gram Clenbuterol was obtained, later it was measured and dissolved into water to make the proper amount ratio per ml. But looky here: Some clenbuterol, what seemed to be very little stayed on the tool which was used to move the clenbuterol from one container to another. Hey there (I thought in stuper), why dont I taste the remain and see what happens. (Can you think of something more ingeniues?--looking back, it was one of my most stupid and dangerous decisions of my life) Apparently an amount of approximately 5 - 8 miligram of clenbuterol was sublingually ingested, possibly more. (normal dose is at the microgram area), for those who dont know Clenbuterol is active at even 100 mcg. with the ~5000-8000 mcg that was ingested, some 50-80 times stronger the active dose, some unwanted effects might occur if you plan to live a healthy life, dont mistake where I have. T+30: Strange feeling, as if consciousness had changed, but not similiar to anything I ever felt. T+1h: Feeling somewhat better than normal (if only I would know what was ahead of me....) Is this clenbuterol i thought? T+2h: Heart rate is higher, but not alarming. T+3h: Eyes are open wide, and face is feeling stretched, something is building up, and fast. T+4h: Eyeballs seem to receive some greenish color besides the normal white... and quite amount of axienty had built up, dizzyness and nausea, but somewhat consciousness enhancement, certainly not a good time. T+5h: feeling quite ill, heart begins to speed up, and for the next 24 hours the heart rate stays at a steady alarming 125-135 beats per minute (WHILE LYING DOWN WITH HEAD ON PILLOW), i could hear my heart with my ear as the vains in my head and the entire body are all swallen up and beating, I can feel the blood pumping intensively, and I feel as I am ready to explode. My girlfriend urges me to get an ambulance, but I disagree, hoping its going to be fine and reassuring her i'm 'okayyyy.' My entire body was dancing to the beats of my heart; and it was the worst tune you could ever imagine. T+6h: From here on after for the next 18 hours, intense pressure in my head and limbs had built up, eyes got more wide open, and skin more stretched. T+12h: It feels as if my heart cant take it anymore as i feel it loosens in some fraile way, and begins to irregularly beat, which is extremely uncomfortable, and quite dangerous. T+13h: I get dehydrated rather easily, and my tempeature is 38 degrees celceus. T+15h: for the past hour the tempeature has risen +1 degree. I am now considering the ambulance theory (in my head), as I feel I cant take much more of this. T+16h: The pressure in the head is unbearable and keeps on increasing, the pain arises as if the skull pressures the brain and there is a psychological feeling as if brain fluid is frying the brain, from the temperature T+17h: A cold shower really helped ... ALOT. T+19h: Another shower helped. T+20h: I'm quite tired and exhusted, but in agonizing head pain fearing taking any sedatives since i dont know what interacts with this and how; i take 750mg Paracetamol. T+21h: Feeling a bit better, but still -- headache is anguishing, I am utterly exhusted and afraid to fall asleep, although possibly, i can. T+24h: Heart rate down to 120 per minute, and tempeature had decreased by two degrees the past two hours, a nice opportunity to get some sleep T+32h: Woke up.... (Thank God, I'm alive!) heart rate is still at a steady 120 beats per minute while lying down #!$#!$#!$!% T+42h: heart rate down to a steady 105 beats per minute t+70h: 65 beats per minute, lying down. For the following week, intense vain, skin, and eye pain was felt, besides the utter exhustion and the sharp pain in the center of the head. Thank God, For He saved me from my stupidity That only my faith kept me going, thougout this living nightmare. There were many side effects during the experience, of pseudohallucenogenic nature: closed and open eye visual effects, very hard stimulation; food was tasteless and meaningless, and would result in vomiting; nothing could be drank besides water, or heartburn would occur, and it did, from drinking Cola, alone. Increased sweating, and increased resperation, hard amphetamiine-like jitterness which lasted throughout the entire horryfing experience, highly-extremely increased metabolic rate, tempeature changes, general change in consciousness, ear popping, and some more things. Overall, This was my first experience with this pseudosteroidical substance, which i didnt take seriously, and i paid the price, and i'm lucky i'm alive to report it. Dont be stupid. If you cant measure something properly, and or not sure of its potency - DO NOT DO IT: as tempting or curiousing as it may be, you might not be as lucky as I was. What a nightmare Thank God its over. for your rats sake ;x

Dunken not that this has to do with your question but i find this story of clen very alarming and interesting. for your rats sake ;x wow i bet your buddy was ripped after that

My rats take it in 20mcg tab form. Not much risk of overdose there. They are at 80mcg today. While in the most general sense they would appear to have opposing impacts, but on a cellular level they have little to do with eachother. My rats are drinking a 1.5-2 gallons of water per day so I think most of the risk is mitigated, but I want to be sure.

IMHO i think that you wont look as good as if you did creatine for like 4 weeks and then ran your clen because w/ clen you are trying to lose bf and look shredded and depending on how you respond to creatine you might have water retention leaving you slightly bloated. cliffsne makes you bigger, the other makes you smaller, so run the big then the small

supposedly that is the advantage of CEE, it eliminates the hydrogen thereby eliminating the water retention. The use would be to retain as much muscle while maintaining a caloric deficit stacked with a potent metabolic enhancer.

iwishiwascool supposedly that is the advantage of CEE, it eliminates the hydrogen thereby eliminating the water retention. The use would be to retain as much muscle while maintaining a caloric deficit stacked with a potent metabolic enhancer. huh i havent done the research on CEE (haha but bought it anyway) well then i guess go for it?

Dunken not that this has to do with your question but i find this story of clen very alarming and interesting. for your rats sake ;x yea that guy was a dope i read that post on another board from him

gsteclipse97 yea that guy was a dope i read that post on another board from him yeah, he admits being an idiot, which i credit him for. but to me, just making that little of a mistake such as, mis measuring, etc and getting thoes sides? its just not worth it to fuck around with in my opinion.

the caffeine is what dehydrates you, not the ephedrine or clen

Dunken yeah, he admits being an idiot, which i credit him for. but to me, just making that little of a mistake such as, mis measuring, etc and getting thoes sides? its just not worth it to fuck around with in my opinion. if you buy the liquid pre diluted instead of makin it yourself then you should have nothing to worry about unless you are a real dope who cant measure correctly. i dont see how anyone could screw it up if you took 10 seconds to measure it and double check

I bought 500g of CEE from bulknutrition today.

How much potassium and taurine are your rats taking?

AznRyda How much potassium and taurine are your rats taking? 5g taurine, just banannas for cramps when I feel them. When I can tell the rats feel them.

i need to supp with magnesium to get rid of the cramps

The first few days were crazy. It wasnt the big muscles... just the lil ones. Id be sitting still for a while and my entire back would cramp up. Or my hands or toes.... ect. I was fine today.

Creatine + Clen

thinking about starting an ECY stack V.11tybillion repost i know

thinking about starting an ECY stack V.11tybillion repost i know

I know it's a topic here every day but i wanted to get some advice. I'm doing good with my cut but would like to do better. :impatient: I think i have my diet done pretty well. im getting 2000-2500 cal a day 200-300g protein and about 70%/30% carbs/fat. I lift MWTF and 7 days befor i hit the same groop cardio on that days off and nothing on sunday, i also cheat for sunday dinners. is the stack going to help me alot of am i doing enough as is? again im happy with the results but if the stack is going to speed it up considerably ill try it. what do ya guys think? clifffs for the lazy: my diet/workout is good, is the stack worth it?

im saying if im getting my 2-3 pounds a week, is this going to increase that by any real amount?

Demize im saying if im getting my 2-3 pounds a week, is this going to increase that by any real amount? 2-3 pounds sounds a bit ghigh, the ECY does not burn the fat so much as it decreases hunger...

i think ill try it for a cycle. so what should i get? id like to go with most pure shit. links to products PLEASE

wtf dude

Demize i think ill try it for a cycle. so what should i get? id like to go with most pure shit. links to products PLEASE i went with vasapro, Mistich recomended it, alot of people are out of it ATM, I went with yohimbine from bulk nutrition, and cafiene from them aswell.

Demize i think ill try it for a cycle. so what should i get? id like to go with most pure shit. links to products PLEASE Clcik here



Demize I know it's a topic here every day but i wanted to get some advice. I'm doing good with my cut but would like to do better. :impatient: I think i have my diet done pretty well. im getting 2000-2500 cal a day 200-300g protein and about 70%/30% carbs/fat. I lift MWTF and 7 days befor i hit the same groop cardio on that days off and nothing on sunday, i also cheat for sunday dinners. is the stack going to help me alot of am i doing enough as is? again im happy with the results but if the stack is going to speed it up considerably ill try it. what do ya guys think? o clifffs for the lazy: my diet/workout is good, is the stack worth it? How much do you weigh? How much carbs and how much fat do you have per day?



I think you need more fats in your diet. Too much protein.

well i ate some pizza today lol weight= 190

just stick with your diet..

Neo22 I think you need more fats in your diet. Too much protein. I don't think he has *too much* protein at all.

should i do some e just to get bonkers on the weights once a week? one week i go bonkers on arms/abs next week legs etc ect. @ once a week will i build a tolerance?

i love teh protein, eat some raw eggs and red meat, flip out and kill some weight!

GilgaMesH I don't think he has *too much* protein at all. Compared to his fats and carbs he does.

Neo22 I think you need more fats in your diet. Too much protein. he's right, this will be an unsuccessful cut without dietary changes. you may find that you end up with less lbm/fat mass. according to your fitday log, your ratios are 10%fat, 27%carb, and 63% protein. if you're adding protein powder on top of that, the ratios are more skewed with way too much protein. you need more carbs and fat if you want to lose fat instead of muscle. even with that much protein, your body will be burning it as the primary fuel instead of releasing fat to burn.

i think you're asking for low blood sugar problems and i'd be surprised if you can maintain your current lbm thru this cut with the thermo

Well today im going to add some home made cookeis to my diet infact im eating one right now! would adding some friut and nut throughout the day get my carb/fat levels where they should be?

Demize Well today im going to add some home made cookeis to my diet infact im eating one right now! would adding some friut and nut throughout the day get my carb/fat levels where they should be? I'd go for between 60-80g of fat daily. YOU need fat when you are cutting. It should be around 25% of your intake.

vettedude 2-3 pounds sounds a bit ghigh, the ECY does not burn the fat so much as it decreases hunger... it increases lipolysis

Ceaze it increases lipolysis

Neo22 I'd go for between 60-80g of fat daily. YOU need fat when you are cutting. It should be around 25% of your intake. are you serious? for women too? i'm taking lipo 6 and i've been more concious about eating more protein and cals...but i'm still trying to cut down on my carbs/ fat. is this wrong? god im so confused

BrickTamland i started it today im pretty fucking jittery from the last 200mg of caffeine but i'm supposed to take another 200mg with ephedrine now give it a few days. my first day i was cracked out. now i can feel the energy, but i dont feel the sides at all.

thinking about starting an ECY stack V.11tybillion repost i know

Judge strikes down FDA ban on ephedra!!!1

Judge strikes down FDA ban on ephedra!!!1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7504443/

so it's coming back?

msnbc.com SALT LAKE CITY - A federal judge Thursday struck down the FDA ban on ephedra, the once-popular weight-loss aid that was yanked from the market after it was linked to dozens of deaths. advertisement The judge ruled in favor of a Utah company that challenged the Food and Drug Administration's ban. Utah-based Nutraceutical claimed in its lawsuit that ephedra "has been safely consumed" for hundreds of years. Supplements that included ephedra have been widely used for weight loss and bodybuilding, but have been linked to 155 deaths, including that of Baltimore Orioles pitching prospect Steve Bechler. The FDA ordered the substance off the market in April 2004. .

Now to see if this will be marketed well, challenges before chances of manufacturing, etc...

Noice

whats the big deal? ephedrine has been legal all along and I thought that it is better than ephedra, at least in to the degree that the concentration per tab is more uniform.

i read in one of the articles that the ball is in the FDA's court now or something along those lines giivng me the impression that although that judge ruled in favor of the utah company, the fda can still ban it.

meh who gives a shit really....

Dragon whats the big deal? ephedrine has been legal all along and I thought that it is better than ephedra, at least in to the degree that the concentration per tab is more uniform. Tell me how easily you can find ephedrine by itself, without a prescription...

Sgt. Ownage meh who gives a shit really.... no ph no care?

tryfuhl Tell me how easily you can find ephedrine by itself, without a prescription... 1fast400.com

gsteclipse97 1fast400.com tryfuhl Tell me how easily you can find ephedrine by itself, without a prescription... can you not read?

tryfuhl no ph no care? nah, just that ephedrine eclipses ephedra in price/effectiveness

mike so it's coming back? it was never really gone

Sgt. Ownage nah, just that ephedrine eclipses ephedra in price/effectiveness Yeah, but if this pans out, we'll be able to get it straight.. and in mixes as a dietary supplement... I don't think that some people are getting that ephedrine can't be in dietary supplements, or sold straight (easily), either

superbri007 1fast400 sells it by itself, last time i checked....but it was out of stock. now, ephedrine with Guaifenesin is another story Yeah, it's been out of stock for years though

spoofy it was never really gone you on the other hand, have been

http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=50 i wouldnt call this out of stock. jeez it was never gone, just the products like stacker and xenadrine were and every one makes to big of a deal of the guaifenesin

gsteclipse97 http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=50 i wouldnt call this out of stock. jeez it was never gone, just the products like stacker and xenadrine were and every one makes to big of a deal of the guaifenesin I know a pretty good deal about supplements, including herbs, I'm not making a "big deal" out of it. Honestly, have you taken eph with and without guaf?

tryfuhl I know a pretty good deal about supplements, including herbs, I'm not making a "big deal" out of it. Honestly, have you taken eph with and without guaf? yes i didnt notice a difference at all. i the one from 1fast has worked just fine for me

gsteclipse97 yes i didnt notice a difference at all. i the one from 1fast has worked just fine for me Sounds good; but this opens up the door (if all goes through) for more cheap premixes with stuff liek caffeine, etc already thrown in with it...

again that is

tryfuhl Sounds good; but this opens up the door (if all goes through) for more cheap premixes with stuff liek caffeine, etc already thrown in with it... true, but after i never liked xenadrine etc compared to my own stack. xenadrine made me feel like shit and my heart was gonna explode

tryfuhl you on the other hand, have been miss me?

gsteclipse97 true, but after i never liked xenadrine etc compared to my own stack. xenadrine made me feel like shit and my heart was gonna explode we could get good home-mixes from 1fast or something tho, if they choose to do one...

Judge strikes down FDA ban on ephedra!!!1

Retards who buy NO supplements.

Retards who buy NO supplements.

Firstly I hope nobody on this forum buys NO products... But I hate it when I see idiots posting on other places asking for the best NO product, spending like 100$+ on them when they do nothing.

I don't buy any supplements....

Yeah we all know that it's impossible to make gains without supplements

Peal I don't buy any supplements.... retard! :sarcasm:

Peal I don't buy any supplements.... typical response from teh alpha male wannabe. wanna come eat red eat w/ me?

brolli typical response from teh alpha male wannabe. wanna come eat red eat w/ me? Or someone responding to someone who takes what other people do w/ their lives a little too seriously...

what the hell is a no product

NO-Xplode, not "no supplements"

well thread starter is a douche either way

brolli typical response from teh alpha male wannabe. wanna come eat red eat w/ me? man what the fuck is wrong with you?

wtf

Ilyusha NO-Xplode, not "no supplements" exactly

NO-Xplode is an expensive product that gives people "energy", can be done with caffeine pills.

No.

brolli NO-Xplode is an expensive product that gives people "energy", can be done with caffeine pills. Yes, arginine and citrulline are the base of every energy supplement, and there is no caffeine in no-xplode, yep... okay

im confused

caffeine reverses the effest of NO products...and brolli, dont hate just cuz NO products havnt worked for you...

brolli NO-Xplode is an expensive product that gives people "energy", can be done with caffeine pills. Not really. They both increase blood flow, but via two totally different mechanisms. NO supps dilate blood vesseles (lowers blood pressure) and decrease their resistance which increases blood flow , while products liek caffeine and ephedrine increase blood flow by jacking up heart reate and constricting blood vessles (raises blood pressure)

Peal I don't buy any supplements.... i dont buy any supplements at all either.

you are all things non-broly ban!

brolli they do nothing. Confirmation: You're a certified idiot.

NoXeN you are all things non-broly ban! in!

pt Confirmation: You're a certified idiot. hi pot, its the kettle, your black j/k

wtf is going on in here

The first posts disturbes me.

Retards who buy NO supplements.

Looking to introduce Y into the ECY stack...

Looking to introduce Y into the ECY stack...

My friend sgt. ownage hooked it up with the E and C. Im nearly out of E and am thinking of adding Y. Im curious as to what ratios people use for this stack, and where i can obtain more E, and Y.

There is a thread in the archives. .2 mg for every kg you weigh, or about .1mg per pound. Don't exceed 20mg a day. I'm at 15mg and I don't have any delicious effects like random erections. I wonder if it doesn't work for me

AznRyda There is a thread in the archives. .2 mg for every kg you weigh, or about .1mg per pound. Don't exceed 20mg a day. I'm at 15mg and I don't have any delicious effects like random erections. I wonder if it doesn't work for me im using VASOPRO right now and its cut with something else, the pill's total size is 25mg. any ideas on what the total ephedrine in it is?

BlinginAssRims im using VASOPRO right now and its cut with something else, the pill's total size is 25mg. any ideas on what the total ephedrine in it is? There is 25 mg of ephedrine in each tablet. Read it again.

edmang There is 25 mg of ephedrine in each tablet. Read it again. Yeah it's 25mg of ephedrine per pill and 200mg of guaifenesin

GilgaMesH Yeah it's 25mg of ephedrine per pill and 200mg of guaifenesin uh holy shit. ive been taking two in the morning...

BlinginAssRims uh holy shit. ive been taking two in the morning...

Mistich yeah no kidding, guess ill be bumping back down to one... whoa...fuck. any idea on good supplement supply stores on teh web?

BlinginAssRims yeah no kidding, guess ill be bumping back down to one... whoa...fuck. any idea on good supplement supply stores on teh web? bring it down to 1.5, your already fucked yourself up 1fast400.com

BlinginAssRims uh holy shit. ive been taking two in the morning... how did you not see that...i told you like 50 times man

you don't take Ephedrine and Yohimbine together

Ceaze you don't take Ephedrine and Yohimbine together not at the same time anyway

I had a question about Y though. I am too lazy to look up the terms exactly, but it blocks alpa receptors (I think) and increases blood flow so that more fatty acids can be mobilized and burned off. But say that once it does it, how long does it take before those fats get reabsorbed by the body again? Essentially, whats the time period that you are allowed to burn off that excess fat? Is it the same period as the yohimbine is in the system? The half life isn't very long.

Looking to introduce Y into the ECY stack...

Anxiety and Ephedrine

Anxiety and Ephedrine

Does E cause anxiety or stress? Or does it even compound the effects of stress? I'm kind of stressing for school, but it seems higher than normal. Sometimes though, I feel I shouldn't be stressed, but I am.

yes it can increase anxiety

it makes me anxious, nervous, and figity, but nothing over the top, or compounded to what is already going on in my life.

ephedrine fucked with me bad, it basically just intensified my mood

at least I know it's justified.... thanks guys!

Yes I had a lot of Anxiety on E.

I get a little antsy on ephedrine but that's it, fortunately most of the time I take it I'm working out and it that alleviates it.

Yes, that's one of the reasons i don't use it.

I take 75mg/day and notice none of this.

Anxiety and Ephedrine

Shrinkage on ephedrine??

Shrinkage on ephedrine??

Has any heard of this or experienced it? I'm stacking Lipo-6 and Vasopro, doing the 5 day cycle... M-F, Sat/Sun off and when Im on I get shriveled up like a stack of quarters... then saturday comes around and its back to normal again. WTF? is this common?

I don't understand, what's shrinking?

well, ephedrine is a vasoconstrictor, so yes it can cause that

SteveO I don't understand, what's shrinking? you know... what happens when you get out of a cold pool

Ceaze well, ephedrine is a vasoconstrictor, so yes it can cause that i didnt even think of that, good call

at least threads about ecy will stop now

yo nizzle at least threads about ecy will stop now ... getting good results tho... finally got some complements/comments in the gym today. this is week three theres no better motivation than a complement/comment from someone

and all this time i thought it was the low cal diet i actually had this convo w/ my roommate last week (also cutting w/ ec). he thought it was b/c he was leaving his window open at night.

evi1eddie and all this time i thought it was the low cal diet i actually had this convo w/ my roommate last week (also cutting w/ ec). he thought it was b/c he was leaving his window open at night. @ window open

evi1eddie and all this time i thought it was the low cal diet i actually had this convo w/ my roommate last week (also cutting w/ ec). he thought it was b/c he was leaving his window open at night. !!!!!!!!!!

evi1eddie and all this time i thought it was the low cal diet i actually had this convo w/ my roommate last week (also cutting w/ ec). he thought it was b/c he was leaving his window open at night. window open causing shrinkage

dumb theory

I also noticed this when having ephedrine Couldn't get a wood either at one stage!

I would get shrinkage from anything like that... Ephedrine, coke, meth though ephedrine is all I use anymore

MaineSucks you know... what happens when you get out of a cold pool turtling is another term.

Im currently cutting with ECY and I've noticed this as well

i have not noticed this, i'll check in a minute on the other hand, i've noticed it seems to enhance... sexual enjoyment...

wow cool, thought I was the only one

MaineSucks wow cool, thought I was the only one shrunken penis crew

evi1eddie shrunken penis crew

Shrinkage on ephedrine??

Can I take Dietary Pills and Creatine together?

Can I take Dietary Pills and Creatine together?

I want to lose fat but pack on muscle. Is this a smart idea? btw the pill I am taking is Ephidrine EFX.

Losing fat and gaining muscle is impossible. One or the other!

Ugh. Go read all the stickies. And yes, incidentally, you can take Ephedrine and Creatine together, they're two totally different things. But I would suggest thoroughly educating yourself on what both of them *do* before you dive head-long into taking them. And read the stickies :P

Socrates Losing fat and gaining muscle is impossible. One or the other! Yes, you could.

iCe Yes, you could. http://www.fastmusclegain.com/ Myth #1 Not claiming to be right, perhaps the source is wrong! But I doubt it.

Can I take Dietary Pills and Creatine together?

question about ephedrine..

question about ephedrine..

i was looking through the archives and was reading about the yohimbine hcl/ephedrine/caffeine combination and was curious about ephedrine. i'm a college athelete and ephedrine is on the ncaa's banned substance list. how long does ephedrine stay in the body? and when i quit using it (in season) will my body fat loss remain, or will i bounce back to my original bf% (i'll still be dieting/working hard)?

not sure about lifespan, but you won't lose teh gains you made while on ephedrine. As long as your diet doens't go to shit, the fat burned off will stay off. If you have the time and aren't grossly out of shape for your sport, I'd suggest skipping teh ephedrine, just in case. As an athlete, don't you get tested in teh offseason as well, or is that just the pro's?

I believe the half life is only a few hours.

i swam division III and we got tested once, for like physicals and shit. never again for the rest of the season. i'm transfering to a division I school and gonna swim there as well as possibly run track (sprinting). i duno how the drug testing is done there, but here we were told we might randomly be tested... but never were (besides that initial testing)

Not sure about half life either but you will look softer after going off ephedrine...

isnt it hard to find stuff with ephedrine in it these days?

oh... my b... not really up on stuff like that...

question about ephedrine..

for those taking CEE

for those taking CEE

what other supplements are you cycling in?

Protein, multi-vitamin, and fish oil.

i thought everyone was taking this stuff....

scivation xtend

16mg of ephedrine and tyrosine pre workout.

Ceaze scivation xtend That stuff actually works?

heh ceaze, is that cause you got 100grams of cee free from 1fast400?

test cyp dbol eq steel cut oats ZMA

di arg malate weight loss shit as seen in training log

How do you guys stomach that sour ass taste? I basically just use gatorade in the quantity of a shot glass and hold my nose. man that stuff is SOUR

cavefish steel cut oats

taqman15 How do you guys stomach that sour ass taste? I basically just use gatorade in the quantity of a shot glass and hold my nose. man that stuff is SOUR try it in orange juice

taqman15 How do you guys stomach that sour ass taste? I basically just use gatorade in the quantity of a shot glass and hold my nose. man that stuff is SOUR i bought the capsules

size18boarder i bought the capsules I regret not making that decision now

some people in here need to man the fuck up, its not that bad

Mistich some people in here need to man the fuck up, its not that bad its beyond sour. but you gotta do what you gotta do

taqman15 its beyond sour. but you gotta do what you gotta do yeah it was in the beginning, but i got used to it and its fine now

i just take it with my protein shake, its not that bad after a week or so of taking it.

deznutz i thought everyone was taking this stuff.... i heard it's like creatine and it helps you recover faster ? care to correct me or add to my post ?

jj1njja i heard it's like creatine and it helps you recover faster ? care to correct me or add to my post ? Creatine Ethyl Esther

di-argenine malate is supposed to work well with it. 1400 sells it as a stack. Basically you get the CEE for free when you buy the stack.

i started taking this stuff yesterday - Omega Cre-ethyl Thunder - based on positive reviews. the list of supplements included are Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL 2400mg Glycerol Monostearate 2000mg Glucuronolactone 800mg Potassium Phosphate 400mg Sodium Phosphate 280mg Methylxanthines 112mg Niacinamide 80mg Pyrodoxine HCL 8mg

for those taking CEE

1fast400 is AWESOME

1fast400 is AWESOME

i ordered my crap yesterday! and it was at my doorstep today incredible

cool, how about everytime someone receives a 1fast order they make a new thread about it.

also, creatine ethyl ester really does taste like shit =/

mitrong also, creatine ethyl ester really does taste like shit =/

they always have been

Appreciate the good words. We just dropped our prices on a lot of powders, also dropped prices on some avant items as well

1fast400 is cool, but my order was stuck in customs for a long time and I wish they just got back to me. I had to do all sorts of stuff like forge a commercial invoice and what not to get it cleared. I tried emailing for support or updates on my order, but no reply. I guess its not their fault, but they could have replied back at least.

1Fast400 Appreciate the good words. We just dropped our prices on a lot of powders, also dropped prices on some avant items as well

PNHWrestler what the fuck was that for?

Ceaze what the fuck was that for? sorry didn't know if that was mike or someone dicking around. lolz. nm. EDIT: *breeeathe*

It's me. In regard to the customs issue. We supply all the invoices they need. They call us wanting more, when they have them already. We fax them, yet they lose them again. You can't possibly imagine how stupid customs people are. We put 3 copies of the invoice on every order. Why we have to do that, I have no idea.

1Fast400 It's me. In regard to the customs issue. We supply all the invoices they need. They call us wanting more, when they have them already. We fax them, yet they lose them again. You can't possibly imagine how stupid customs people are. We put 3 copies of the invoice on every order. Why we have to do that, I have no idea. I work with having to ship fertlizier to canada. we have to fax 3 export documents too..

1Fast400 It's me. In regard to the customs issue. We supply all the invoices they need. They call us wanting more, when they have them already. We fax them, yet they lose them again. You can't possibly imagine how stupid customs people are. We put 3 copies of the invoice on every order. Why we have to do that, I have no idea. Yeah, it was a really big pain in the ass. I had to keep calling fedex, then the customs guy, and kept sending papers and letters. Anyways, I finally got the product minus 1 ephedrine and 2 yohimbine which they say they are going to ship back. It should be in unopened condition. (credit? I don't know how it works) I'll definitely order again, but only in America where there is no hassle with dumb laws. All my previous orders went through flawlessly.

If/When it comes back we email the person ordering. It is VERY rare they send us anything. Since you can't hold customs accountable for anything, they can/will tell you anything and everything you want to hear.

http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?ascend...=839953964359+ Thanks a bunch!

Sweet, I'll make sure they handle it in the morning

My order is coming tomorrow. I want to skip class and wait for the brown truck.

1Fast400 I used to post here in the past. A lot of my customers are members here and I used to offer unique deals to them. Had to re-register so I could do that again hmmm.....sweet!!!

yeah I just ordered some CEE yesterday when I got the email w/prices being dropped.

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1Fast400 It's me. In regard to the customs issue. We supply all the invoices they need. They call us wanting more, when they have them already. We fax them, yet they lose them again. You can't possibly imagine how stupid customs people are. We put 3 copies of the invoice on every order. Why we have to do that, I have no idea. It's because they're Canadian.

Dang, when did Mike decide to come back?

AznRyda 1fast400 is cool, but my order was stuck in customs for a long time and I wish they just got back to me. I had to do all sorts of stuff like forge a commercial invoice and what not to get it cleared. I tried emailing for support or updates on my order, but no reply. I guess its not their fault, but they could have replied back at least. 1fast400 ships overseas?

If we were one of the smaller sites, we could get away with it. Most of the companies that sell this type of thing are probably 1/4 our size. We just have to much to lose.

1fast400 is the best company ever. If I could, I would procreate with it.

1fast400 is AWESOME

Do you guys put any stock in supplements?

Do you guys put any stock in supplements?

I've never really seen any studies that support the theory that they would help in muscle growth and such, seems like an easy way out. Like a magic pill sort of thing. What do you guys think?

there's a ton of literature on the positive effects and general safety of creatine

therealdeal I've never really seen any studies that support the theory that they would help in muscle growth and such, seems like an easy way out. Like a magic pill sort of thing. What do you guys think? Apparently you haven't read any studies.

ACURA TL-S Apparently you haven't read any studies. Hence the question.

therealdeal I've never really seen any studies that support the theory that they would help in muscle growth and such, seems like an easy way out. Like a magic pill sort of thing. What do you guys think? You mean, you never bothered to educate yourself before forming your opinion... wtg

therealdeal I've never really seen any studies that support the theory that they would help in muscle growth and such, seems like an easy way out. Like a magic pill sort of thing. What do you guys think? You didn't look very hard.

yes, yes i do.

christophers i dont understand the question. what "supplements"? aas? Stuff like 'natural growth hormone,' shit that you see at GNC. I mean, I would think that if the supplement in question actually worked it would be advertised as having clinically tested etc.

Creatine and protein is it. The suppliment industry is not regulated by the FDA, who knows what you are getting, they can say whatever they want in advertising and claims. Most studies done were performed by the company selling the product so draw your own conclusions.

christophers you have to be specific wrt what supplements yiou are asking about. "natural gh" = shit. but creatine = good, 1 of the most researched supplements out there in general, literature doesnt support very many supps. this is basically all literature supports in most cases: -creatine -whey -post workout drinks -fish oils -ephedrine + caffeine what it doesn't support but is popular: -bcaa's -glutamine what works for me but isnt supported: -bcaa's what works the best evar: -aas. in most research aas provides better gains in FFM than training does. i can't wait! Oh ya, I wasnt reffering to ephedrine or creatine or even whey or fish oils. I watched TUF the other night and there wa this hilarious ad with chuck lidell promoting some 'xyience' supplements, and I checked some of it out and they have like 'fat burning mix' but its ephedrine free.

DCCapen This thread is like someone going into a political debate and asking the people there to tell them about politics before he has anything of his own to say I would actually compare it more to reading a newspaper about politics before jumping to conclusions. A guy like christophers could tell me more in a couple minutes than I could possibly learn over hours and hours of research. I'm sorry, but your analogy is terrible.

pass the test please

christophers you have to be specific wrt what supplements yiou are asking about. "natural gh" = shit. but creatine = good, 1 of the most researched supplements out there in general, literature doesnt support very many supps. this is basically all literature supports in most cases: -creatine -whey -post workout drinks -fish oils -ephedrine + caffeine what it doesn't support but is popular: -bcaa's -glutamine what works for me but isnt supported: -bcaa's what works the best evar: -aas. in most research aas provides better gains in FFM than training does. i can't wait! read this, then read it again, then write it down, then read it tomorrow

christophers most otc supps have minimal at best effects, just get some tests if you want a real effect Where do I sign up for studies like this?

assuming the black spots are motor neurons, look at how much more robust they are in B than A; also the fiber's area has increased considerably. gonna be a lot more power generated after the test en..

what are the side effects of test?

christophers what it doesn't support but is popular: -bcaa's -glutamine what works for me but isnt supported: -bcaa's well, there is some research in support of leucine (and its role in signaling the mTOR pathway)

Ceaze well, there is some research in support of leucine (and its role in signaling the mTOR pathway) AV

iCe AV

GTPBR what are the side effects of test? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!! Get the fuck out and never ever come back. In fact forget that you have ever been on F&N, reformate you computer and go back to using AOL.

Do you guys put any stock in supplements?

Best Ephedra substitute on the market?

Best Ephedra substitute on the market?

I'm just curious if any products on the market have matched what Ephedra did. I highly doubt it, but what's the best thing out there now the Ephedra has been banned

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=50

looks like you might not have to settle for a subsititute as a result of this case:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7504443

tofu http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=50 that's for asthma and stuff Isn't ephedra for weight loss only. That wouldn't achive any of that, would it?

same stuff for both

the active ingredient in ephedra = ephedrine all the good stuff, none of the bullshit

Hark that's for asthma and stuff Isn't ephedra for weight loss only. That wouldn't achive any of that, would it? you're joking right?

shastaisforwinners you're joking right? no i'm really not. I don't know jack shit about supplements. Will taking that "asthma" supplement have the same affect of the same products that were originally on the market a few years ago?

Hark no i'm really not. I don't know jack shit about supplements. Will taking that "asthma" supplement have the same affect of the same products that were originally on the market a few years ago? read your own thread you nitwit.

dank read your own thread you nitwit.

Yes it will achieve weight loss. In fact Ephedrine HCL > Ephedra

Hark ephedrine hcl = best ephedra substitute on the market do an archive search for stacking/dosing guidelines

Hark no i'm really not. I don't know jack shit about supplements. Will taking that "asthma" supplement have the same affect of the same products that were originally on the market a few years ago? Im pretty sure you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are asking about ephedra/ephedrine because you treat it like a magic pill and have a complete lack of willpower.

Is ephedra really banned?? Cause when I was in walmart about a month ago I read the Trim Spa box and sure enough it said ephedrine wheich is the same as ephedra.

It probably had pseudoephedrine. Different stuff. Incidently ephedra is unbanned now I think I saw.

synephrine

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...phedra_suit_19 Utah Judge Strikes Down Ephedra Ban Fri Apr 15, 8:44 PM ET Health - AP By MARK THIESSEN, Associated Press Writer SALT LAKE CITY - A federal judge has struck down the FDA ban on supplements containing ephedra, a weight-loss aid linked to dozens of deaths, but it's too early to tell whether the product will be back in stores anytime soon. The judge Thursday ruled in favor of a Utah supplement company that challenged the Food and Drug Administration's year-old ban. Nutraceutical claimed that ephedra has been safely consumed for hundreds of years. Research shows that the amphetamine-like herb can speed heart rate and constrict blood vessels even in seemingly healthy people, but it is particularly risky for those with heart disease or high blood pressure or who engage in strenuous exercise. Among the deaths linked to the substance was that of Baltimore Orioles pitching prospect Steve Bechler, who collapsed and died during spring training two years ago. The judge's decision was seen by some anti-ephedra advocates as falling short of an outright reversal of the ban, though a Nutraceutical lawyer declared flatly, "the ban is gone." The company said it is too soon to say whether it will put the product back on shelves. Industry groups said supplements that included ephedra were once used by 12 million people. Judge Tena Campbell's order prevents the FDA from stopping Nutraceutical from selling its product and sent the case back to the FDA for a determination of what are safe and dangerous levels of ephedrine. The FDA was evaluating the ruling, but Health and Human Services spokesman William Pierce said the agency "made the right decision from the standpoint of science and our statutory authority. This is exactly when the dietary supplement law should apply." Health officials and Justice Department lawyers are looking at the ruling to determine the next step, Pierce said. Campbell agreed with Nutraceutical that ephedra was wrongly being regulated by the FDA as a drug and not a food. She said a 1994 federal dietary supplement law places more restrictive rules on the FDA in determining whether to ban foods as opposed to drugs. The judge said the law requires the FDA to prove that a dietary supplement is harmful, rather than having the manufacturer prove it is safe, as is required with drugs. "The (FDA's) statement that a safe level cannot be determined is simply not sufficient to meet the government's burden," Campbell wrote. Nutraceutical President Bruce Hough said the lawsuit had little to do with ephedra and more to do with forcing the FDA to follow the rules Congress set down for it. "This is a great affirmation for the system, that the court goes back and says, 'This is Congress' intent,' and follow it," he said. Ephedra opponents said the language in the order applies only to a very specific, lower-dosage segment of the market. The ruling's final page prohibits the FDA from enforcing the ban on Nutraceutical's supplements containing 10 milligrams or less of ephedra. Ten milligrams per day was the dosage of Nutraceutical's products. "No one - not the FDA, the supplement industry, nor the public - has been satisfied by how ephedra has been regulated," said Sen. Orrin Hatch (news, bio, voting record), R-Utah, who helped write the 1994 law that also deregulated the supplement industry. "Millions of people have used the product with satisfaction, but there is no doubt the product has had some serious problems," he said. Illinois Democratic U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, a frequent ephedra critic who worked for the ban, said the ruling underlined the need for "a mandatory and uniform system of reporting adverse health events that result from use of certain dietary supplements."

vXSevenXv Is ephedra really banned?? Cause when I was in walmart about a month ago I read the Trim Spa box and sure enough it said ephedrine wheich is the same as ephedra. Ephedrine HCL and ephedra are not the same thing.

GilgaMesH Yes it will achieve weight loss. In fact Ephedrine HCL > Ephedra .

Best Ephedra substitute on the market?

About to place an order to 1Fast400 and have some questions

About to place an order to 1Fast400 and have some questions

I'm currently in a brazilian jiu jitsu class, and we meet Tues-Thurs-Sun and go for 2-3 hours (stop and go learning on Tue/Thurs, and all out free grappling on Sunday). I'm trying to lose weight and gain/keep muscle, so will everything I have listed be good for that? I'm 6'2" and fluctuate around 253-255 lbs. I've been eating better and after this spring semester lets out i'll be lifting and riding a bike around the neighborhood. CLA 180 Softgels/800 mg $16.99 http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=35 Yohimbe 1111 50 Capsules/1.111 grams $11.00 http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=46 Muscle Milk 2.48 lb Chocolate $23.99 http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=138 Vitamin C w/ Rose Hips 250 Tablets/1000 mg $8.00 http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=587

get SesaThin instead of CLA get Yohimbine HCl instead of Yohimbe 1111

Ceaze get SesaThin instead of CLA get Yohimbine HCl instead of Yohimbe 1111 Thanks for the reply. Anything else I should add to this? Currently i'm just taking a multivitamin and fish oil I bought locally. I read that Yohimbe 1111 cannot be used by females, same case with the Yohimbine HCl?

dingo I read that Yohimbe 1111 cannot be used by females, same case with the Yohimbine HCl? that's not true at all. other things you could take are: ephedrine hcl + caffeine lean xtreme by designer supplements fish oil

Ceaze that's not true at all. other things you could take are: ephedrine hcl + caffeine lean xtreme by designer supplements fish oil Ahh... hrm, according to this review, it states on the label not to be used by females http://www.1fast400.com/product_revi...eviews_id=3028, but, that's also going by somone who could have potentially read it wrong? None the less thanks again. I'll be placing an order this weekend

I went through 2 bottles of sesathin, and I wasn't sure how good the results were. My sex drive was down too.

Why does it matter if you women can't take it anyways (they can). Are you a 6'2 230+ girl? I wouldn't take yohimbine until later to try to get of stubborn fat anyways. Proper dosing is harder, and you won't feel the effects as much as an EC stack. I heard great things about Lean Xtreme. It all boils down to your diet though, basically.

superbri007 Go with some ON 100% Whey Actually on my list of things to buy, I did change to that, simply because it's 155 servings. I *can* use the whey as a meal supplement right? Is this a bad diet: 7am: Whey drink 9am: Apple, orange, or banana (only 1) 11am: lunch time (I try to eat clean here, doesn't always work), can I substitute this for a whey drink as well? 3pm: Another apple, orange, or banana (only 1) 5-6pm: Dinner typically consisiting of baked pork chops, baked chicken, brown rice, diet drinks, anything along these lines 10pm (or right before bed): Whey drink

a slower digesting protein blend would be better

I wouldn't go with muscle milk. it's like 350 cals

It may not be good for females (ie. people who can get pregnant while taking it), but that doesn't mean they can't take it.

About to place an order to 1Fast400 and have some questions

ECY and sleep patterns

ECY and sleep patterns

After doing a lot of research, I began taking ECY yesterday and I've had trouble falling asleep. How long does it typically take before the sleep patterns return to normal?

What time did you take it? I had trouble sleeping for a day or two.

edmang What time did you take it? I had trouble sleeping for a day or two. YC morning EC afternoon EC night (about 4 hours before I sleep) but I plan on adding one more EC around early evening in a few days. I want to take it slow and see how my body reacts.

Jago YC morning EC afternoon EC night (about 4 hours before I sleep) but I plan on adding one more EC around early evening in a few days. I want to take it slow and see how my body reacts. thats why yc at 8-9 am ec 11-12 pm ec 1-2 pm ec 3-4 pm

tize 12-14 days Wow, much longer than I thought. I'm worried about crashing in the middle of the day from fatigue (though I haven't felt any yet).

Jago YC morning EC afternoon EC night (about 4 hours before I sleep) but I plan on adding one more EC around early evening in a few days. I want to take it slow and see how my body reacts. Lyle McDonald In general, you should make sure your last dose of ephedrine comes no later than about 6 hours before your normal sleeping time (i.e. no later than 4pm if you normally go to sleep at 10pm); the stimulant effects keep many people up. So you might take a dose at 8am upon awakening, at 12 pm, and again at 4pm (assuming a 10pm sleep time). Just spread the three doses throughout the day, assuming you can tolerate all three. Note again that the stimulant effects tend to decrease with regular use (so do the appetite blunting effects, unfortunately) but the calorie burning effects continue unabated with at least one study suggesting that they increase with regular use. My last dose is usually at 4 pm.

Thanks guys, I'll try spacing the doses closer together (and all before 4 PM) and see how it works for me.

The only thing that makes my sleeping patterns fucked up is because I have to wake up so early to take yohimbine. Since its stacked with caffeine I can't fall back asleep. Since I can't eat anything I am hungry as shit. Hope its worth it!

Could it possibly have to do with the 25mg of E 4 hours before bed? I would take your first dose 45 minutes before lunch and your second dose 45 minutes before dinner. Although I still don't condone ECY due to its effect on the body and willpower.

willpower?

AznRyda willpower? It makes you think that you can eat more because you are taking a magic pill.

ACURA TL-S It makes you think that you can eat more because you are taking a magic pill. the appetite suppressant effect keeps that from entering my mind

ACURA TL-S It makes you think that you can eat more because you are taking a magic pill. I've actually been eating less than I should since starting the stack.

I don't notice appetite suppressent effects, but I do eat a little cleaner because I want to make use of the benefits of the yohimbine. A lot of stuff on avant's board is against taking oral yohimbine, so I want to maximize effect and not need to take it for so long.

Lyle doesn't seem to be too enthralled with it either. But I have so many bottles, so I might as well use it. Damn stubburn fat.

I began adding a 3rd EC dosage today as planned and I felt slight chest pains afterwards. My heart rate was at 80 bpm though. I was kind of nervous about adding the dosage so I'm guessing it might have just been brought on by anxiety. Is this normal for the first few days with the additional dosage or should I go back to just 2 EC dosages a day? At this point, my plan is to try the 3 dosage EC schedule again tomorrow. If my body doesn't like it, I'm going back to just 2 EC dosages a day. On a related note, in the last 4 days I have lost 5 lbs. and a half inch off my waist. My energy level has been great and I don't feel fatigued or lethargic like I used to. My appetite has been much more suppresed that I had thought it would be on the stack. Believe it or not, I have to consciously remember to eat, I'm just so focused on work now I can easily forget to eat a meal since I don't really feel any hunger. Honestly, it's a little scary how effective ECY is.

Jago I began adding a 3rd EC dosage today as planned and I felt slight chest pains afterwards. My heart rate was at 80 bpm though. I was kind of nervous about adding the dosage so I'm guessing it might have just been brought on by anxiety. Is this normal for the first few days with the additional dosage or should I go back to just 2 EC dosages a day? At this point, my plan is to try the 3 dosage EC schedule again tomorrow. If my body doesn't like it, I'm going back to just 2 EC dosages a day. On a related note, in the last 4 days I have lost 5 lbs. and a half inch off my waist. My energy level has been great and I don't feel fatigued or lethargic like I used to. My appetite has been much more suppresed that I had thought it would be on the stack. Believe it or not, I have to consciously remember to eat, I'm just so focused on work now I can easily forget to eat a meal since I don't really feel any hunger. Honestly, it's a little scary how effective ECY is. ibwaterweight. your energy level isn't b/c of proper nutrition or improved metabolism. its b/c caffeine and ephedra are stimulants. of course they'll give you more "energy" personally for me, im not going to take ECY until i can keep a clean and successful cutting diet consistent for at least a few months. then the next time around, i'll know i have enough discipline to do it without ECY. good look anyway bro.

Atenza6i ibwaterweight. your energy level isn't b/c of proper nutrition or improved metabolism. its b/c caffeine and ephedra are stimulants. of course they'll give you more "energy" personally for me, im not going to take ECY until i can keep a clean and successful cutting diet consistent for at least a few months. then the next time around, i'll know i have enough discipline to do it without ECY. good look anyway bro. Oh yeah, I definitely think it's mostly water weight I'm losing right now. Just my body becoming adjusted to the stack. I've been on a cutting diet for a few weeks now. I just need to find more time to hit the gym to really feel the full effects. I've had a very inconsistent schedule for the last few months.

I still love my baton..

Jago Oh yeah, I definitely think it's mostly water weight I'm losing right now. Just my body becoming adjusted to the stack. I've been on a cutting diet for a few weeks now. I just need to find more time to hit the gym to really feel the full effects. I've had a very inconsistent schedule for the last few months. yeah, its tough but it'll become more routine the longer you do it. make sure you put up some progress pics in a bit.

Ilyusha I still love my baton.. Atenza6i yeah, its tough but it'll become more routine the longer you do it. make sure you put up some progress pics in a bit. Update, took 3 dosages today and no pain. Must have been anxiety last night.

ECY and sleep patterns

ECY stack?

ECY stack?

Sorry if I sound like an idiot. But what exactly is this and whats the point? Whats ECY stand for?

check the archives It stands for Ephedrine-Caffeine-Yohimbine and is used to lower bodyfat.

ECY stack?

Controlling Apetite....

Controlling Apetite....

whats the best way you all have found to control hunger, weather it be a supplement or some other method? im dieting down for summer and finding my cravings to be insane this year for some reason and will power is barely holding out, ive tried increasing my water intake to give me the full feeling but its not really working out too well..... suggestions?

Fiber helps keep you full in my experience - fills up the stomach, but isn't digested. As for supplements, I've found ephedrine very effective at controlling cravings. YMMV of course.

shitloads of water and veggies/fiber

foods with higher satiety index. :shrug: I dunno what to tell ya...

water, physical activity. if you're doing something you won't think about eating when your body isn't really hungry like you might if you're watching tv. plus if you do decide to eat your activity will help burn the cals.

Drink lots of water, or no/low calorie liquids to fill your stomache. Then just do something to keep yourself occupied.

I got off of EC today. I'm hungry as FUUUUCK! i didn't kow it had this much of an effect on my appetite.

Oh, my body is below my setpoint I think. It sucks ass. :-|

nicotine

Dont know if you have tried it yet but smaller potions spread out through out the day? Instead of eating normal portions 3 times a day try eating smaller portions 5 times a day.

pokesteve thats a good way to control cortisol I really should practice what I preach even if I dont know WTF i am talking about. You know what i have ate today? 1 6 inch subway turkey breast sandwhich. on white bread w 2 slices of cheese with letuce, tomato, bell pepers, onions, and jalepenos, 1 line of spicy mustard 1 line of light mayo. about 1 gal of water and a 20 oz pepsi. I still havent broken my morning caffine addiction I just dont feel right without it and I hate coffee. I need to get to sams and buy a bunch of tuna and boneless skinless chicken breasts BUT I dont get paid for another 11 days so I am stuck to what I have and I refuse to eat any of the garbage I have in the house right now. On the upside my maintenace is probably around 4000 cal a day and I only took in 700 ish calories on a high estimate. Thats it. IByourgoingtodie

pokesteve i know what its like being broke and trying to make progress.... tuna and whey protein are your friend, if nothing else, take a protein shake every few hours to keep your body digesting. I cant afford to buy the protein. I cant afford to do shit right now. I hate working for 6.50 a hour its so fucking gay. Im going to have to borrow money to make it to work until I get paid.

nicotine

christophers well then stop dieting. arent u like 150 lb's. I've been fat for so long. I want to just see what its like being really low body fat. Just 6 more weeks of dieting. 2 of maintenance. Then a nice long 5 months of bulking.

veges, fiber, ephedrine. All pretty good results with.

take some hoodia and a glass of water. it works good

I dropped my calories relatively slowly. Im now just below 2000 per day and I have to force myself to eat even that. Right now, in fact, I am stuffed on a small cup of chilli and a chicken sandwich. If all else fails... clen

AznRyda I've been fat for so long. I want to just see what its like being really low body fat. Just 6 more weeks of dieting. 2 of maintenance. Then a nice long 5 months of bulking. 6 more weeks of dieting @ 150lbs? Please tell me you're 5'1'' or below

I just took a second job. I dont think im going to have much time to eat... First job is from 7am - 5pm second job from 5 pm - 9pm. first job weekends off second job saturday and sunday 9-5. I am going to have to get up at 5 am to work out.

nathanbx 6 more weeks of dieting @ 150lbs? Please tell me you're 5'1'' or below 5'6, 155. 15% bf (I am guessing) Body recomposition is individual. So whatever makes me happy and keeps me motivated.

Controlling Apetite....

Easy Fat Burning Tips

Easy Fat Burning Tips

Please do NOT follow this tip if you: suffer from depression and/or taking anti-depressants; diagnosed with ADHD; or have any heart aliments.

Before I do my workout I take:
48 mg of Ephedrine (4, 8 mg tabs)
200 mg of Caffeine
1 A.L.A. (Alpha Lipoic Acid) capsule, 100 mg
1 teaspoon of L-Glutamine powder