Does weight lifting promote new muscle fiber to grow?

Does weight lifting promote new muscle fiber to grow?

Or does it just make the ones you already have bigger?

Blue=Gay Or does it just make the ones you already have bigger? Muscle is torn and replaced.

Ilyusha Muscle is torn and replaced. I know but does weight lifting promote new(more) muscle fibers to grow.

yes new muslce is formed!

there is always muscle there. is there wasnt, you would be a bone with skin on it. It would also be impossible to move your arm.

Toyota Kawasaki alright.. say youre so weak that you have no bicep muscle at all.. if you lift weights how could muscle tear and repair if there isnt any.. Holy fuck..

Ilyusha Holy fuck.. i'll see your and raise you a

Ilyusha Holy fuck.. even Terri Schiavo had muscles.

Toyota Kawasaki alright.. say youre so weak that you have no bicep muscle at all.. if you lift weights how could muscle tear and repair if there isnt any.. I hope you are kidding

Toyota Kawasaki alright.. say youre so weak that you have no bicep muscle at all.. if you lift weights how could muscle tear and repair if there isnt any.. Yes. There could be a situation where there was absolutely NO muscle in the bicep......

well im pretty sure you dont actually create new muscle fiber, only enlarge what you currently have.

Grouch well im pretty sure you dont actually create new muscle fiber, only enlarge what you currently have. Which could mean that new muscle fibers are growing.

Ilyusha Which could mean that new muscle fibers are growing. That would go against the whole 'new' part. If that is true.

Blue=Gay Or does it just make the ones you already have bigger? Some fibres may split

Toyota Kawasaki alright.. say youre so weak that you have no bicep muscle at all.. if you lift weights how could muscle tear and repair if there isnt any.. but is 20 like 30.....

it takes huge loads of stress to cause new muscle fibers to grow, or drugs (gh, slin)

SteveO it takes huge loads of stress to cause new muscle fibers to grow, or drugs (gh, slin) Drugs wont make new muscle fibres grow It is emerging research that under the right load and conditions muscle fibres MAY MAY MAY split, i.e its possible but you wont really see it happen much

Grouch well im pretty sure you dont actually create new muscle fiber, only enlarge what you currently have. you don't create new muscle cells.

edd91 Drugs wont make new muscle fibres grow It is emerging research that under the right load and conditions muscle fibres MAY MAY MAY split, i.e its possible but you wont really see it happen much yes, they will

SteveO yes, they will Literature?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/vm15.htm Muscle Fiber Hypertrophy To begin, I'd like to cover the two main ways for an individual to increase overall muscle size. The first, muscle fiber hypertrophy, refers to the increase in the diameter of the individual muscle cells. The larger the cells, the larger the overall muscle, it's that simple. Muscle fiber hypertrophy = Big muscle fibers. Muscle Fiber Hyperplasia The second, muscle fiber hyperplasia, refers to the splitting of muscle fibers in the interest of creating new fibers. Obviously this would be of interest to anyone pursuing size or strength due to the fact that and if an individual has more fibers, their overall size potential is greater. Therefore when looking at hyperplasia, Muscle fiber hyperplasia + Muscle fiber hypertrophy = Many big muscle fibers. Ahh, the elusive double dose of size! At this point, I know that you're all supercharged to learn how to both make more fibers and to make them bigger, but I'm going to have to put the breaks on and be the bearer of bad news. The problem with hyperplasia is that no one really knows exactly how to promote it. Once we are born, some experts believe, muscle fiber number remains fixed for our lifetime. Therefore under normal circumstances muscle fiber hyperplasia seems nearly impossible. Interestingly, though, experts have begun to speculate that under abnormal circumstances, hyperplasia can contribute to overall muscle growth. For starters, recreational or even moderately intense weight training will probably NOT do it. Unfortunately there has not even been any evidence that very intense weight training will promote hyperplasia. One proposed link to hyperplasia, though is anabolic steroid use. A recent article in the American College of Sports Medicine's Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise found evidence for muscle fiber hyperplasia in anabolic steroid using powerlifters(1). This however, is pretty much the first evidence of a mechanism for hyperplasia in humans. [Editor's note: there is fairly long-standing evidence that hyperplasia does occur in (of all things) weight trained cats.] The bottom line is that unless we are ready to boatload anabolic steroids into our systems, neither you nor I are going to be enjoying the benefits of muscle fiber hyperplasia any time soon. At least not over a period of less than 5-10 years (and even then it would be modest). So what about hypertrophy? Well that, my friends, is a promising reality.

Toyota Kawasaki alright.. say youre so weak that you have no bicep muscle at all.. if you lift weights how could muscle tear and repair if there isnt any.. seriously?

the gist is under nearly all circumstances, muscle fibers get bigger. You do not create more of them.

evi1eddie [color=black]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/vm15.htm Can you post the references too please

Toyota Kawasaki alright.. say youre so weak that you have no bicep muscle at all.. if you lift weights how could muscle tear and repair if there isnt any.. April fools?

Does weight lifting promote new muscle fiber to grow?

sumemr cycle i think i'm gunna run...

sumemr cycle i think i'm gunna run...

test cyp 600mg/week 1-16 eq 500 mg/week 1-15 drol 100mg/day 1-5 halo 20-30mg/day 13-16 pct of nolva and clomid with hcg run 250iu 2x a week starting with week 4 and ending the week before pct. pct starting week 18. what do ya think?

inject big, get big?

thats the plan

I'd run dbol instead of drol, so I didnt feel like shit, but I don't know anything about halo apart from the incredible strength gains.

i've run dbol before and it gave the worst back pumps ever, i mean dibilitating. couldn't deadlift 135lbs if my life depended on it. so i'm gunna give drol a try. running the halo to harden up at the end of the cycle and for the aggressiveness and strength.

Nice! I was going to do the same thing, but without the pussy ass PCT. I heard it hurts my squat numbers if I don't cycle for long enough, so I was buying a 6 month supply. Hopefully I can squat my weight by the end.

AznRyda Nice! I was going to do the same thing, but without the pussy ass PCT. I heard it hurts my squat numbers if I don't cycle for long enough, so I was buying a 6 month supply. Hopefully I can squat my weight by the end. good for you troll...

any real input from anyone?

16 weeks is a bit long..... You probably won't get too many replies on this. You are better off taking it to Elite Fitness Forums.

I'd go ask somewhere like anabolic minds or anabolex, only a couple of people here have juiced or know what the hell they're talking about.

cavefish I'd go ask somewhere like anabolic minds or anabolex, only a couple of people here have juiced or know what the hell they're talking about. I know what I am talking about....I just avoid talking about teh juice.

Yeah but this is hardly the best forum for steroid advice.

cavefish Yeah but this is hardly the best forum for steroid advice. I agree, but it does look like you're overdoing it. How many cycles have you done in the past?

ACURA TL-S I know what I am talking about....I just avoid talking about teh juice. .

sumemr cycle i think i'm gunna run...

ATTN: Preemo

ATTN: Preemo

you got any pict0rs? i need some short broly inspiration and yur pm box is full

sr20wop you got any pict0rs? i need some short broly inspiration and yur pm box is full well since the prowler has not been around, i figured i would take up his position..

damn hes exactly what i want to look like

does he workout?

SteveO does he workout? doubtful.. prolly just takes alot of creatine

Are those underoos stuffed too?

jonno doubtful.. prolly just takes alot of creatine anyone know if hr ever did a steroid or ph cycle?

sr20wop anyone know if hr ever did a steroid or ph cycle? i dont believe so

sr20wop anyone know if hr ever did a steroid or ph cycle? no actually, he is 100% natural...

vettedude no actually, he is 100% natural... damn good for him now hes 100% my inspiration (minus pen0r size )

he can be your inspiration for a long time, it's doubtful anyone will look near as good as him at his weight. I still don't understand why you don't compete

someone post that pic of his back, that shit is inspiration

SteveO he can be your inspiration for a long time, it's doubtful anyone will look near as good as him at his weight. I still don't understand why you don't compete i got some work cut out for me i've been makin some good progress though, ill post pics in a week or so when i get a new digicam









What is his height/weight?



Great symmetry.

some one PMed me why i take maltodextrin. it's a complex carb thats absorbed faster than glucose. insulin spike to heighten the anabolic response of whey.

here u go (from teh other thread)

Captain Amazing meh that's killer.

...still amazed every time I see pics

CrackSeed ...still amazed every time I see pics same here

ATTN: Preemo

My mom accused me of taking steroids v.345435372299

My mom accused me of taking steroids v.345435372299

She watched that 60 Minutes thing last night and said I gained a ton of size and really thought I was on the sauce. She made me tell her on the phone that I've never taken steroids. I think the media is making too big of a deal of this, and I told my mom that. Are they healthy? No. But if you cycle them correctly and use them for a short period of time, they're really not all that bad. And they don't CAUSE heart disease, stroke, or suicide. They might contribute, but you can't assume causality from anecdotal cases because they are simply too many counfounds. I just like how everyone thinks they're steroid experts now.

excused you?

Next time, tell her that you're on a bunch of shit and that she can't do anything about it and hang up.

Ilyusha Next time, tell her that you're on a bunch of shit and that she can't do anything about it and hang up.

CrackSeed excused you? fixed

Take it as a compliment.

superbri007 my mom just said "wow, your really filling out" I shoulda said something like, "yeah, well my secret is the sauce" and then slapped her with my delt and raided her pantry

I like how they are grilling those NFL players for taking that androcream, when in actuality, its no where near potent enough to actually build any kind of real muscle even if taken in large amounts.

Perplexed My mother thinks my ON chocolate is steroids

beg her for money and tell her that if she doesnt get it to you you're going to kill her

jonno beg her for money and tell her that if she doesnt get it to you you're going to kill her roid rage!!!

haha my mom is the same way except she thinks the protein powder makes me fat!

my mom knows i've done Pros twice and I've talked to her about roids, she even recommended me to her old boss who regularly cycled juice so i could talk to him about it. i've never juiced tho.

Werdna She watched that 60 Minutes thing last night and said I gained a ton of size and really thought I was on the sauce. She made me tell her on the phone that I've never taken steroids. I think the media is making too big of a deal of this, and I told my mom that. Are they healthy? No. But if you cycle them correctly and use them for a short period of time, they're really not all that bad. And they don't CAUSE heart disease, stroke, or suicide. They might contribute, but you can't assume causality from anecdotal cases because they are simply too many counfounds. I just like how everyone thinks they're steroid experts now. show her a pic of me, she will apologize to you

PurEvl show her a pic of me, she will apologize to you

My mom accused me of taking steroids v.345435372299

Winnie-V: Need Info

Winnie-V: Need Info

I've been trying to shed these last few pounds (currently 6'1 215, looking to get around 195-200) and a buddy of mine just recommended Winnie-V (he has a connection to really a quality product). I've been trying to find some good info on it and havent had much luck so far. I just want to know if it is effective and if taken as dosage recommends, what are the side effects? (i dont plan on stacking it with deca or anything and i will continue my current lifting/college sport regimen)

Pharmaceutical Name: Stanozolol Chemical structure: 17 alpha-methyl-5alpha- androstano [3,2-c]pyrazol-17 beta-ol Molecular weight of base: 344.5392 Characteristics: TThis is another one of the popular ones. Next to Deca and D-bol the third most abused substance among athletes is stanozolol, as documented by the many positive drug tests. Among them the case sprinter Ben Johnson, who was stripped of his Gold Medal in the 100 meter dash in the 1988 Olympics. But since then the number of positives has grown exponentially. In bodybuilding Shawn Ray's positive in the 1990 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic (a brief stint the IFBB had with drug testing). Ray was the winner of that event, but Canadion pro Nimrod King was also shown to have stanazolol metabolites in his urine. That short paragraph to illustrate what sort of an impact it has made on the world of sports. Stanozolol is commonly referred to as Winny, after its trade name as marketed by Winthrop : Winstrol. In Europe this may be a bit confusing as the most available form there is called Stromba. Winny comes in two forms, an injectable form and an oral form. Both are equally popular and both are to be used daily. The injections are the same compound as the orals, which is methylated. Due to this feat it can't be esterified for time-release. So its not quite suited for weekly injections although this is claimed on the package insert of the veterinary form of Winny. Another thing that would further add to the difficulty of time-release is that it is delivered in an aqueous solution. That would not exactly facilitate the entry into adipose tissue, needed for the esterification and storage of the substrate in the body. The injectable version often gives more results. In similar doses there is still more breakdown upon first pass in the liver, making it difficult to get an equal amount absorbed. And on top of that it has to be mentioned that most people simply don't take an equal amount. Too many pills, lesser availability, higher cost. Many factors play a role in that. But of course an oral is to be preferred over daily injections as that gives the necessary complications as well. Think of abscesses and lumps, the searching for new injection sites due to pain and so on. Some have solved this problem by simply drinking the Winny injections. It's the same substance, also methylated to withstand the liver, the availability and price are better and its contained in water. So there really aren't many objections to this. Of course because they are the same substance, regardless of the method of use, its not advised to use Winny for long periods of time. Slightly less hepatoxic than most 17-alpha alkylated substrates, so it can be used a bit longer, as long as 8 weeks, but longer than that is not wise. Elevation of liver values is quite common. The specificity of Winny however, lies in how it counteracts estrogenic side-effects such as gyno and excess water retention. First of all it's a 5-alpha reduced substrate. 5-alpha reduction breaks the double bond between positions 4 and 5, which is required for conversion to estrogen via aromatase, the primary enzyme for the manufacture of estrogen in males. Because some of these compounds nonetheless show some affinity for aromatase they may have some use in blocking estrogen from other steroids they are stacked with. Wether or not Winny acts in this way is not entirely sure. What has been a popular point of discussion with stanozolol is its suggested anti-progestagenic effects. The theory goes that Winny can bind and compete for a position at the progesterone receptor much like Clomid of Nolvadex would at the estrogen receptor, thereby inhibiting progestagenic effects. Now, progesterone can aggravate estrogenic side-effects by agonizing estrogen and it does play a role in gyno. We also discussed that certain steroids may indeed stimulate and act at the height of the progesterone receptor including nandrolone and Norethandrolone. These hormones are also altered by it inducing a decrease in libido and a sense of lethargy and such, and eventhough they aromatize in lesser rates than some other steroids, they show an equal capability to cause estrogenic side-effects, particularly when stacked with other aromatizable compounds. Now there is evidence that Winny does indeed bind to the progesterone receptor1 and its users do not indicate the normal characteristics of progesterone stimulation, which bodes well for these anti-progestagenic properties. There is also some clinical data that it does aid in symptoms that require progesterone suppression2. Much in the way danazol was also successfully used. The one thing we shouldn't lose sight of however is in what rate it binds to the progesterone reception. There is no data on this. For all we know it couldn't bind strong enough to compete with nandrolone or norethandrolone. So its not wise to state that Winny is an anti-progestagin per se, but it does make Winny a good match for these products in stacks in any case. Strong gains are never really made while using stanozolol (it's a weak androgen since it has no 3-keto group needed for androgen binding), but decent and fairly easy to maintain gains are possible. Its limited time of use however makes most experienced users opt for other steroids in that regard. Winny, in bodybuilding circles at least, is used mostly during cutting cycles to maintain mass. Winstrol, like a DHT compound also gives a distinct increase in muscle hardness and striations in people with a low body-fat percentage. This lends further credence that it too may be a an anti-estrogen. But most likely it has more to do with the overall lower levels of circulating estrogen. Winny is also quite effective at promoting strength because it binds very well at the androgen receptor. Short term stanozolol use can promote drastic strength, a feat often employed early in a bulking cycle (although d-bol would be more suited in that case) or late in a cutting cycle to prevent a decrease in performance. This combined with the red blood cell count-stimulating properties of its androgen affinity make it popular among track athletes as well in order to beget better results. As many, including Ben Johnson, did not take into account it can be detected for quite some time after last use so its not advisable for drug tested athletes. Many have assumed otherwise due to the short half-life, but apparently some inactive metabolites are easily esterified, so they can be found up to 5 months after the last injection. Winny is mostly quite well-tolerated in men. Cramps, headaches, elevated blood pressure and cholesterol levels and liver damage are noted, but on a not so-frequent basis. Standard virilization symptoms associated with the stimulating of the androgen receptor, however, are a problem. Acne, prostate hypertrophy and an aggravation of male pattern baldness can occur, so use by women has to be discouraged. Due to the frequent rate of injections, users generally have to go spotting for different sites of injection on the body. Calves, shoulders, arms and such. When doing so they noted a localized increase in mass which has given root to the myth that Winny can add muscle where it is injected. What I'm about to say goes for all compounds known to date : Steroids do not increase mass locally. The observance is noted because the injection breaks the fascia around the muscle, which possibly gives a muscle a little more room to grow. This is mostly temporary, and in the best cases very limited. Multiple injections would not increase the size in comparison. When the fascia heals, if it heals, it can lead to something called compartments syndrome, where a nerve is pinched between a muscle and its fascia. Leading to numbness quite often and in some cases to a paralysis of everything that nerve controls. This is not a frequent occurrence. This is rare, but my point was documenting that localized growth spurred by an injection is a myth. A last note about injectable Winny is : shake before use. Its called an aqueous solution, but the Winny being a steroid is not particularly polar, meaning it doesn't dissolve in the water. When the stuff sits, it will accumulate at the bottom of the vial. A good way to recognize the real stuff as well. So shake before you draw it into a syringe or mix it before you drink it, and perhaps even stir it again once in the syringe prior to injection. Stacking and Use: Winstrol is best used at a rate of 50 mg a day. When in an injection that amounts to a single injection every day around the same time. In orals, that'll be at least 5 tabs of a legit product. In a mass stack Winny makes a good match for Deca and Nilevar. Whether or not its anti-progestagenic effects are for real or not, lets just say it can't hurt. In any stack with Deca the use of 25-50 mg a day for the first 6-8 weeks of the stack can kickstart it and add some strength. With Nilevar there is a practical objection because it is also 17-alpha alkylated and more toxic than Winny, so your stack would be limited to 6 weeks, which is not overly productive. The pink ones are Anabol (Dianabol) and the yellow ones are Stanabol (Winstrol). These are very popular right now. They are 5 mg tabs and they sell for less than 30 cents a tab. For cutting purposes Boldenone, Masteron and trenbolone are the best options. If you are employing a longer stack, then use 25-50 mg of Winny for 6 weeks or so at the end of the stack. Boldenone is the best match here as the other two do basically the same thing. They act solely or mostly at the androgen receptor. Making them poorer choices since simply upping the dose of Winny would mostly achieve similar results. Of course neither is methylated, which allows for longer use. There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain. References 1 Ellis AJ, Cawston TE, Mackie EJ., The differential effects of stanozolol on human skin and synovial fibroblasts in vitro: DNA synthesis and receptor binding., Agents Actions 1994 Mar;41(1-2):37-43 2 Brestel EP, Thrush LB., The treatment of glucocorticosteroid-dependent chronic urticaria with stanozolol., J Allergy Clin Immunol 1988 Aug;82(2):265-9 From bodybuilding.com

you should be able to lose the weight with the right diet and enough cardio. if your diet isnt in check you probably wont lose it on winny

you are not experienced enough

there is no steroid that will cut bodyfat on its own, im sorry you've been misinformed.

Mass there is no steroid that will cut bodyfat on its own, im sorry you've been misinformed. /thread

Winnie-V: Need Info

I saw a 6'4+ well built white guy doing the moonwalk ....

I saw a 6'4+ well built white guy doing the moonwalk ....

at my school gym last week ... background story: It was late workout that day ... 12am or so ... I was at the preacher curl station, resting in between my sets. And while resting, i was facing this 6'4+, well built white fellow resting in between his sets of squats (with short, shorts mind you). I wasn't really paying particular attention to him ... But then all of a sudden, out of no where, that dude busted out the moonwalk (he moonwalked for a good 5 yards). He did it not once, but like 3 or 4 times (once everytime that he was resting in between his sets). I tried really hard to not bust out laughing It was the wierdest thing i have ever seen at a school gym

I wish I could do the moonwalk.

I can moonwalk. True story.

Grouch I can moonwalk. True story. VID OR DEATH.

Grouch I can moonwalk. True story.

Grouch I can moonwalk. True story. same

In for moonwalk lessons.

Hip Hippo I wish I could do the moonwalk.

Moonwalk is easy I've been able to do it for a while

i can do it too

~*Pogovina*~ VID OR DEATH. only if you make me one after...

intersting i suppose...

Grouch only if you make me one after... i didnt know you were into beastiality

Forward moonwalk is the bomb

~*Pogovina*~ i didnt know you were into beastiality

He was trying to get your attention.

i'm surpised this hasnt been

jonno i'm surpised this hasnt been Not many mods around today.

jonno i'm surpised this hasnt been Oh well, why should they lock it?

~*Pogovina*~ i didnt know you were into beastiality I'm a freak.

its a very uncommon side effect of steroid usage that is overshadowed by "roid rage" but randomly busting out with the moonwalk is a very common side effect of boldenone.

in for lessons and vid

tize Everyone can moonwalk :yawn: I can do the sideways usher variation and forward variation IBwhiteboyoverbite

I saw a 6'4+ well built white guy doing the moonwalk ....

Hilarious pic *steroid related*

Hilarious pic *steroid related*

damn dem ngas swole.

the fuck is that from?

One early evening I took my first shot of Testosterone Suspension, at age 23 and 210lbs lean. The next morning I was about 213lbs, and a lot leaner! How the hell is that possible! My muscles were so much harder, and I looked more cut up! I immediately went to the gym and had a fantastic workout. I felt great! Just in one day. This being, because Test Suspension is water based which gets into the system quickly. What the hell happened to me!! That power that I once had, remember, the power that I spent my freaking life and life savings trying to achieve, was ripped from me completely, plus some! I had no strength or vitality left in me at all, and I was only 24 freaking years old! All the damn roid head writers or know it all roid users had no answers for me now! They told me what damn supplements to take and what steroids are the best, but what about when you get sick. What happens when the god damned steroids kill you. What do you take then? None of these bastards have any answers or are willing to help now. In April of 2000 I weighed 163lbs was 5'7, yes two inches shorter, and surprises just kept on coming. Now, not only did I have no strength, couldn't digest food, had pains all over my body, was consumed by depression, had constant thoughts of suicide, and continued to lose weight, but now my skin looked yellow, there were muscle twitches all over my body, and I couldn't sleep more than 2 hours a night! Oh yeah, my hormone levels were basically non-existent. http://www.taylorhooton.org/index.asp Dumbasses.

superbri007 there is a quote from the bible out of Genesis, its obviously a foundation somewhere in Jesus-land LOL Knock Knock Who's there? Its Jesus on Roids, LOL

superbri007 there is a quote from the bible out of Genesis, its obviously a foundation somewhere in Jesus-land LOL Knock Knock Who's there? Its Jesus on Roids, LOL lol that was funny... that explains all the bad things that happen in the world Jebus has roid rage.. duh.



superbri007 yeah, because if they actually showed actual swole steroid users, people might actually think "hey, i wanna look like that" so they show an anorexic runner, an adolescent soccer player, a weak kid witha bicep pose, and some pre-pubescent A-rod look-alike ...his biceps looks better than mine

GilgaMesH damn dem ngas swole.

superbri007 yeah, because if they actually showed actual swole steroid users, people might actually think "hey, i wanna look like that" so they show an anorexic runner, an adolescent soccer player, a weak kid witha bicep pose, and some pre-pubescent A-rod look-alike those standard plates mean hardcore

what's funny is the guy in the top left should be ashamed to admit to seroid use, but you can see what appears to be a slight case of gyno.

oh snap, that taylor hooton kid went to my old high school. i saw pics and he didn't look any bigger post cycle

the story is his family blames steroids for making him depressed and killing himself. when he was already going to a therapist etc. before he ever touched the shit.



I really hate to hear about young kids killing themselves but in all reality steroids played very little if any role in this. He was a manic depressive kid and would have most likely killed himself soon or later if his parents kept ignoring the truth.

Paintballny I really hate to hear about young kids killing themselves but in all reality steroids played very little if any role in this. He was a manic depressive kid and would have most likely killed himself soon or later if his parents kept ignoring the truth. People just love their scapegoats, though.





Ilyusha whoa, back then they had knee muscles

http://www.taylorhooton.org/mattalavi.asp This guy got pretty big

NickStam http://www.taylorhooton.org/mattalavi.asp This guy got pretty big He got huge. Then he says he lost like 60lbs and couldn't workout anymore. He took cyp, primo and deca. What a sad story.

A-rod with a gold club...hmm





Plano West idiots..... I'm glad I went to Jesuit instead of heading to West.

Neo22 He got huge. Then he says he lost like 60lbs and couldn't workout anymore. He took cyp, primo and deca. What a sad story. I don't know much about steriods. Did he use the wrong combinations or did he just have bad reactions.

Hilarious pic *steroid related*

Curious, IS it ok to ask where to find PH's on this site???

Curious, IS it ok to ask where to find PH's on this site???

Im looking for some PH's, but dont know if its ok to ask for them on this site Can a mod verify this for me??????

or how bout you listen to everyone and try to find some real gear and that you can't do here

call them "candy" thats how f&n rolls

oh, and the real deal is "soda"

well i need candy then

sr20wop call them "candy" thats how f&n rolls I need some "candy" for my "research". That sounds about right

if anyone can help me out, please pm

http://bradkent.com:8080/wrappers/wr..._cup_white.gif

superbri007 you can get "candy" from the "baby" and the baby is not the back door of a GNC and you don't steal candy from babies

I know a guy that still has some. He bought out my stock the last day we sold them. I'm not at work now, but when I get there, I'll post some info on him if you want.

either that or PM mike he has 2 bottles of s1+ and doesnt lift anymore

Asking where you can find PH's is the same thing as asking where you can find test, dbol, etc. In other words, don't do it. Discussion of PH's, steroids, etc is fine. Just don't ask where to get them, try to sell them, etc.

head to a steroid forum, and befriend someone that knows their shit

Curious, IS it ok to ask where to find PH's on this site???

would this be considered a steroid?

would this be considered a steroid?

i'd like to stay natural... would this be considered a steroid? http://asrsports.com/superdrol.htm active ingredient: methasteron any bad effects i should look for? also, methasteron is the only ingredient listed... so does that mean i could probably make these pills myself if i bought it in powder form and got some empty capsules?

yes it's a steroid......and you can't buy the powder

http://forums.1fast400.com/topic7929.html

Ceaze yes it's a steroid......and you can't buy the powder it's seriously a steroid? and yes i can buy the powder, i already checked. i know people..................................

TQ it's seriously a steroid? and yes i can buy the powder, i already checked. i know people.................................. its a "designer steroid" or a prosteriod, and yes you can buy the powder, just gotta know the right places. Writeup: http://www.designersupps.com/article...articles_id=17

jaymode its a "designer steroid" or a prosteriod what's that mean?

TQ what's that mean? its not on the banned list put out by congress, so its still a prohormone/prosteroid but just hasnt been added to the list...thus making it legal.

fuck just curious, but what constitutes as a steroid? i know of supplements that boost testosterone production (it isnt pure test or anything), but it is stuff that gets your system to produce more. is that considered a steroid too or what? thanks

things which raise your testosterone productions are zma, tribulus (questionable), 6-oxo(in high doses as it is a weak aromatase inhibitor), plain zinc, avena sativa (oats in pill form),

oh and working out helps with testosterone

so anything that boosts your testosterone levels, natural or otherwise, is considered a steroid?

TQ so anything that boosts your testosterone levels, natural or otherwise, is considered a steroid? no, steroids do not "boost test levels" they change the test level, by surpressing your own production,

you are essentially injecting hormone into your body to increase the level, its not increasing your natural production of it.

ok, so the supplement that boosts test levels (*doesnt put it in you) is not a steroid, and superdrol puts hormones in you. damn, it looked good otherwise.

TQ ok, so the supplement that boosts test levels (*doesnt put it in you) is not a steroid, and superdrol puts hormones in you. damn, it looked good otherwise. yea in a laymans way of looking at it you are ingesting or injecting a hormone. stay away.

would this be considered a steroid?

Protein Supplements How It Helps ?

Protein Supplements How It Helps ?

Protein supplements will provide the right amount of protein to your muscles once they have been worked out. A muscle is ripped once it has been worked out good with weights, and in order to repair itself it needs protein. Once you drink a protein shake or a protein rich meal, your muscles use this protein to rebuild themselves and grow stronger and bigger.

Creatine increases ATP production which helps the muscles during a workout, but also creatine causes sometimes water to be drawn from some parts of the body into the muscle tissue which then causes dehydration, and then in a long run some say causes health problems.

I have been working out for 3 years, I don't use creatine because I dont find it to be safe, some even say its like a legal steroid, so I stay away from it. I only use protein supplements and that works for me. Also creatine does not work for some people, some people see absolutely no results from it, and some loss muscle density from it, while others benefit from it.

Protein supplements how it helps ?