What is the best thing to eat in this scenario?

What is the best thing to eat in this scenario?

So you have just woken up, and you NEED to hit the gym right now, since it closes in two hours. You havn't eaten or drank anything since waking up. Do you go to the gym on an empty stomach? or eat some fruit? or some bread? or some protein?

rye bread & raspberry jam & down 30g of liquid protein or so.

dextrose + sucrose + free-form AA's (or whey)

if you are trying to lose weight/fat, then just go.. but make sure you drink water! but if you are trying to bulk up or maintain, then i would drink some protien drink, or eat a fruit..

ANIMALPAK VITAMINS. Thats all you need.

Get some carbs and some protein.

Ceaze dextrose + sucrose + free-form AA's (or whey)

what are you trying to do at the gym? heavy lifting, cardio(for how long), or yoga(empty stomach for sure),.. depends what you are gonna do.

devilangel if you are trying to lose weight/fat, then just go.. but make sure you drink water! but if you are trying to bulk up or maintain, then i would drink some protien drink, or eat a fruit..

tize go back to your myspace forums, did acura give you this address??? im a legit member here. and myspace forum sucks my ass!

tize <3 you mackin on me? hahhaha

prolly a weight gain shake 600 calories + 52 g protien + 15 ounces of water= win

What is the best thing to eat in this scenario?

The Cat RRRRAAAAAA is officially out of the bag

The Cat RRRRAAAAAA is officially out of the bag

I started this new job about 3 months ago and just tried to keep a quiet cool attitude and not really discuss my outside interests too much because I really am more of a quiet person... anyways...the pregnant woman openly asked me about diet tips and exercises she can do to help with her pregnancy and weight gain. So...there were 6 girls around when they heard this..and the one girl asked me if I was a PT or certified or something. I said just "no" and the other girl stood up and said I am a bodybuilder. So thats all they needed to hear when they came around and started firing off all types of questions about weight loss and even weight gain. So I'm just spinning my head about all this and don't know who's talking about what. so shit I told them if they wanted 'personal attention' to talk to me later about it too bad I don't run this as a business...I'd clean up

Filmboy44 too bad I don't run this as a business...I'd clean up Start one on the side, contract yourself out to a gym or something.

tell them about a great form of cardio where you don't even need to leave the bedroom, as long as you have a workout partner

its a small office too...there are a few that I'd off the "personal" service too "lets work that fat off honey"

christophers i play PT for a lot of people and dont ask anything for it. for some reason i just like helping people. although i get stuff for it all the tme, including money. i'm not going to say no. 4 tubs of muscle milk + 150$ came today from someone i helped lose 25 lb's and get to 8% i actually woulda rather just had cash instead of that muscle milk but oh well thats rather generous. Most of the time my advice isn't taken...so they keep comin back. they don't want to hear dieting isn't easy and they actually have to work at it for a while before they see results. I don't mind. I like talking about it and helping them. THey aren't hurting me any by not listening so whatever

cavefish Start one on the side, contract yourself out to a gym or something. oh and don't forget to contact the IRS to report any extra income.

evi1eddie tell them about a great form of cardio where you don't even need to leave the bedroom, as long as you have a workout partner I think the pregnant woman figured that one out all by herself

cunninglinguist I think the pregnant woman figured that one out all by herself

The Cat RRRRAAAAAA is officially out of the bag

Is all natural a thing of the past?

Is all natural a thing of the past?

It seems like so many people are using stuff now days. I never took anything, not even creatine. I dunno, I guess Id rather get there without using anything ya know? Im sure there are a ton of people out there who DONT use anything, it just seems like most are, ya know?

a lot of people are all natural, a lot of people juice.... either way their results are more directly correlated with their motivation and knowledge so i dont see what the big deal is

im guessing youve never used protein either and you weigh 140

Actually im 6', 220. all natural.

i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural?

Widowmaker Actually im 6', 220. all natural. % body fat?

XsLiCk i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural? you also eat food with creatine in it

XsLiCk i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural? well your body produces creatine, and testosterone, just not in the same levels as you get from supplements.

protein is something you need to build muscle, regardless if it is "natural' in your eyes....got any pics?

Honestly never check it. I can post my pic if youd like. My maxes are... Bench:260 ( i suck at bench) Squat: 450 Dead: 505

out. i routinely take bcaa's, and cycle creatine and ecy stacks here and there.

infinite loop out. i routinely take bcaa's, and cycle creatine and ecy stacks here and there. Then you still are natural

Best pic I got...

Video of 500 deadlift?

And please dont think Im knocking people who do use them or anything cuz im not.

I don't consider creatine/protein as "not natural". roids i would consider cheating.

Hip Hippo Video of 500 deadlift? This is just like racing huh, no timeslip, no care. Sorry no vids, I THINK i have one of 405 somewhere lol. But that's a far cry. I dont expect yall to believe me.

If it doesn't change hormonal levels to unhuman levels then it is natural to me and on that note, I am all natural.

Widow you are naturally big which is cool for you. A lot of people are naturally very skinny or small so its much harder to get as big as someone who has better phsycial genetics. My brother and I are opposites. We come from the same parents except he got certain traits that I didnt. He is taller, and can build muscle mass extremely quickly. He sees almost double the gains I see on the same workout programs. I have a runners body while he has a bulkers/bodylifter body. For me to see the same gains he gets I need to take in more protein and stuff like that. Also my metabolism is insane which means its very hard for me to keep any fat or weight gain while him on the other hand will keep all of his weight gain. If your body was of different gentics you would understand why people take supplements.

guestDJ Widow you are naturally big which is cool for you. A lot of people are naturally very skinny or small so its much harder to get as big as someone who has better phsycial genetics. My brother and I are opposites. We come from the same parents except he got certain traits that I didnt. He is taller, and can build muscle mass extremely quickly. He sees almost double the gains I see on the same workout programs. I have a runners body while he has a bulkers/bodylifter body. For me to see the same gains he gets I need to take in more protein and stuff like that. Also my metabolism is insane which means its very hard for me to keep any fat or weight gain while him on the other hand will keep all of his weight gain. If your body was of different gentics you would understand why people take supplements. he probably eats more than you

jonno he probably eats more than you not really. I was illustrating how some people may need more intake depending on their metabolism mainly. I need to eat 3 bigmacs while my bro needs only one type of deal.

to each their own speaking of car racing is nos cheating? what about slicks? or what about stripping the car, or what about... you get the point to each their own, I take protein now, might take creatine in a couple of month

Just do your own thing and dont care about anyone else's biznass.

personally, its natural if I can get it in my diet, , ie protein, creatine, etc. I'm pretty sure I can't get steriods or prohormones from my diet

Mass Just do your own thing and dont care about anyone else's biznass. exactly

Is all natural a thing of the past?

Dumb question

Dumb question

I recently started a new job and I dont have access to a fridge/cooking equipment. Its bag and box lunches all the way. Since I dont feel like eating cold chicken all the time I was considering makeing my diet staple eggs. Is this a good or bad idea? Lets say I eat 5 hard boiled eggs for lunch everyday whats the calories going to look like? I already eat 5 for breakfast with a slice of toast. I looked on my egg cartons and there is no dietary info so any help would be great. I am thinking of just makeing it a nice dozen eggs that I eat everyday. IE 6 for breakfast w toast, 6 for lunch, baked chicken/tuna/salad something like that for dinner. CLIFFS : how many calories are in a egg with yolk, and without yolk if at all possible.

I did a quick google and found this does it appear accurate to all you f&ners? Egg White 17 calories Egg Yolk 59 calories Fried Egg 92 calories Hard-Boiled Egg 76 calories Poached Egg 76 calories Scrambled Egg 100 calories (includes addition of milk in recipe)

youre gonna get sick of eggs fast

sounds about right

there are between 60-70 calories per egg

crucialkc youre gonna get sick of eggs fast no i wont i love eggs. then again im only eating 2.5 dozen a week right now. Are there any negatives i should be worried about eating so many eggs?

Filmboy44 there are between 60-70 calories per egg Yeah but believe it or not, whenever you cook eggs, the amount of calories increases very very slightly

the protein to cal seems a little low should I maybe throw a can of tuna in at lunch to?

Silver85327 no i wont i love eggs. then again im only eating 2.5 dozen a week right now. Are there any negatives i should be worried about eating so many eggs? you're only eating 2.5 doz per week, and you're talking about eating 7 doz per week. HUGE difference. other than salmonella, which I doubt you'll get, I don't see what could be wrong with it

crucialkc Yeah but believe it or not, whenever you cook eggs, the amount of calories increases very very slightly which is why I said between 60-70...everything is variable

Silver85327 the protein to cal seems a little low should I maybe throw a can of tuna in at lunch to? never can get too much tuna

crucialkc you're only eating 2.5 doz per week, and you're talking about eating 7 doz per week. HUGE difference. other than salmonella, which I doubt you'll get, I don't see what could be wrong with it I give him a week before eggs make him sick, 7 dozens is too much, that can't be healthy. I say suck it up and eat your cold grilled chicken sandwich and other cold foods.

RenaultFreak I give him a week before eggs make him sick, 7 dozens is too much, that can't be healthy. I say suck it up and eat your cold grilled chicken sandwich and other cold foods. i back this

how much protien does an average chicken breast have? a can of tuna?

RenaultFreak I give him a week before eggs make him sick, 7 dozens is too much, that can't be healthy. I say suck it up and eat your cold grilled chicken sandwich and other cold foods. right, and there are more things out there other than eggs and chicken to eat for protein sources.. get yourself a damn tub of protein, some turkey and fish for crying out loud

Inferno69 how much protien does an average chicken breast have? a can of tuna? both are around 35ish

Inferno69 how much protien does an average chicken breast have? a can of tuna? dunno about hte tuna...cause I dont' eat it, but chicken...8oz = 40-50grams

RenaultFreak I give him a week before eggs make him sick, 7 dozens is too much, that can't be healthy. I say suck it up and eat your cold grilled chicken sandwich and other cold foods. i only work 4 days a week 10 hours a day. so im talking 5 dozen a week

alright, so I should get tons of protien a day... do lots of cardio and some shit with freeweights (still need an answer to my question in my other thread) and I'll be loosing weight fast? What about carbs? Should I try eating as little as I can or what?

Silver85327 i only work 4 days a week 10 hours a day. so im talking 5 dozen a week his post still applies

Inferno69 alright, so I should get tons of protien a day... do lots of cardio and some shit with freeweights (still need an answer to my question in my other thread) and I'll be loosing weight fast? What about carbs? Should I try eating as little as I can or what? you're a long ways off from losing weight fast my friend...first spend a few days in the archives reading about weight gain weight loss and working out and cardio and nutritional facts, diets, etc.

Filmboy44 you're a long ways off from losing weight fast my friend...first spend a few days in the archives reading about weight gain weight loss and working out and cardio and nutritional facts, diets, etc. I've been doing that for the whole weekend

Filmboy44 his post still applies so ya think i should rotate? like 6 eggs on monday chicken breast for lunch dinner. then eggs for b eggs for l the like eggs for b t for lunch etc? im concerned with my food going bad sitting in 100 degree weather for 6 hours rather than the protein i am getting.

Silver85327 Are there any negatives i should be worried about eating so many eggs? you're gonna have alotta nasty farts. edit : on that note, i just farted. and it was pretty sulpherous.

Silver85327 so ya think i should rotate? like 6 eggs on monday chicken breast for lunch dinner. then eggs for b eggs for l the like eggs for b t for lunch etc? im concerned with my food going bad sitting in 100 degree weather for 6 hours rather than the protein i am getting. OT: how many workers? dunno there but here if the company has over 10 workers they need to supply a good eating/heating/fridge room, maybe you all should ask for at least a fridge and a microwave. Even hard boiled eggs can go bad after 6 hours on 100 degree weather. I think you should rotate them with another 5-6 different meals, cold sandwiches, cold salads or take in consideration not carrying your own food but eating in a nearby restaurant/dinner.... edit: 5 dozens per week is still too much

Dumb question

so i'm talking to my buddy, who is pretty big/cut, about the ECY...

so i'm talking to my buddy, who is pretty big/cut, about the ECY...

and he mentions that he's taken some pretty serious stimulants... then he goes back into the kitchen, comes back and tosses this little bottle to me. CLENBUTEROL for scientific research only not for human consumption it was still half full

i know a little about this stuff, and have read some experiences with it. anybody done this before? he said its the most foul tasting shit known to man.



No...no lock, i'm interested. Don't they give that to live stock to make them bigger?

im not going to do it or anything, i just thought we could have some discussion on the topic... the ECY is kicking my ass hard enough.

You can barely taste it seeing as to how you only take like a half a ml at a time. Check the archives, I believe there's a thread about clen in there. EDIT: here it is http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=963745

dank im not going to do it or anything, i just thought we could have some discussion on the topic... the ECY is kicking my ass hard enough. good good

GilgaMesH You can barely taste it seeing as to how you only take like a half a ml at a time. Check the archives, I believe there's a thread about clen in there. EDIT: here it is http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=963745 i think he might have been taking more. he said he would mix it in a huge container with whatever, and he could still taste it. he used it to gain lean muscle mass without fat. he said he put on about 5 lbs of lean muscle with about 2lbs of fat in 4 weeks. he was using prohormones at the time too.

please refrain from using that shit...for your own good unless you've read up on it and know exactly everything there is to know about it and more so, how to use it properly many think that you can use it in ketosis

Filmboy44 please refrain from using that shit...for your own good unless you've read up on it and know exactly everything there is to know about it and more so, how to use it properly many think that you can use it in ketosis listen to filmy.

Filmboy44 please refrain from using that shit...for your own good unless you've read up on it and know exactly everything there is to know about it and more so, how to use it properly many think that you can use it in ketosis dank im not going to do it or anything, i just thought we could have some discussion on the topic... the ECY is kicking my ass hard enough. anyone know where i can get some DNP?

dank anyone know where i can get some DNP? http://www.tpg.com/downloads/images/building.jpg

dank anyone know where i can get some DNP? yeah while you're looking into that look into these: http://www.jsdart.com/finearts/photo...20showroom.jpg

Filmboy44 yeah while you're looking into that look into these: http://www.jsdart.com/finearts/photo...20showroom.jpg

Filmboy44 yeah while you're looking into that look into these: http://www.jsdart.com/finearts/photo...20showroom.jpg

chadhova What's so bad about clenbuterol? nothing, if used correctly

Gutrat No...no lock, i'm interested. Don't they give that to live stock to make them bigger? You only give it to cows if they want to see their six pack, or their sex muscles.

chadhova What's so bad about clenbuterol? well theres the danger of using too much... and apparently the side effects can be a little intense. it raises your body temperature 2-3 degrees, gets the heart going pretty fast... you sweat a lot, possible insomnia, nausea, nerviousness. stuff like that.

dank well theres the danger of using too much... and apparently the side effects can be a little intense. it raises your body temperature 2-3 degrees, gets the heart going pretty fast... you sweat a lot, possible insomnia, nausea, nerviousness. stuff like that. just to name a few.... I've used it...personally and had never experienced any harsh sides *knock on wood* however you have to build your tolerance to it slowly. I, the first time using it took 1.25 in stead of .20

dank well theres the danger of using too much... and apparently the side effects can be a little intense. it raises your body temperature 2-3 degrees, gets the heart going pretty fast... you sweat a lot, possible insomnia, nausea, nerviousness. stuff like that. Personally clens sides were much less harsh than ECY to me.

sprite You only give it to cows if they want to see their sex muscles. I laughed.

GilgaMesH Personally clens sides were much less harsh than ECY to me. depending on your bodyweight, that will determine your dosage. Where you taking the recommended amount?

GilgaMesH Personally clens sides were much less harsh than ECY to me. reeeeeallly...

Filmboy44 depending on your bodyweight, that will determine your dosage. Where you taking the recommended amount? I was about 215 and pyramided up from about 40mg to 120.

sprite You only give it to cows if they want to see their six pack, or their sex muscles. Clenbuterol and Livestock You may have read recently about Clenbuterol being used illegally in livestock. This drug is not approved for use in the United States. But, if it is used, it may cause problems for people consuming meat of the animal if residues remain at the time of slaughter. It is also a very good repartitioning agent which of course improves lean tissue deposition. More of the animal's weight gain becomes muscle instead of fat. This is the area that has received the most attention. Adverse effects in people consuming products with high levels of residue or inhalation of products may be increased heart rate (tachycardia), heart palpitations (cardiac fibrillation), muscle tremors and increased blood pressure. Residues may be found in the liver even at 1ppb. The ocular fluid of the eyeball is now considered to be the tissue of choice to find residues as this fluid will store this drug for an extremely long time. (KP) Source: Jerry Stokka, Extension Veterinarian, Department of Animal Sciences and Industry, Kansas State University. from http://www.clenbuterol.com/livestock.htm

so i'm talking to my buddy, who is pretty big/cut, about the ECY...

How much whey protein in a serving?

How much whey protein in a serving?

A friend just told me that your stomach can only handle like 25g of whey protein in half an hour, so anything more just gets turned into fatty acid. Trying to figure out if this is true.

mmm in my serving i take 46 grams and i dont notice anything making me fatter...

SLO2 A friend just told me that your stomach can only handle like 25g of whey protein in half an hour, so anything more just gets turned into fatty acid. Trying to figure out if this is true. So he's saying that regardless of whether or not you are in caloric deficit, consuming more than 25g of whey in half an hour will make you fat. Thats totally logical

XsLiCk mmm in my serving i take 46 grams and i dont notice anything making me fatter... But is it doing you any good? That's my question

Up All Night So he's saying that regardless of whether or not you are in caloric deficit, consuming more than 25g of whey in half an hour will make you fat. Thats totally logical Yea, that's why I was asking here. I'm wondering if it's possible that it gets digested too fast to be processed. Which wouldn't have anything to do with a caloric deficit would it?

SLO2 Yea, that's why I was asking here. I'm wondering if it's possible that it gets digested too fast to be processed. Which wouldn't have anything to do with a caloric deficit would it? Weight gain/weight loss has everything to do with caloric deficit

yes its doing me good i mean... i broke my collar bone about a year and a half ago... and i just started lifting like 3 months ago... started at 115 repping and now i'm repping at 185... newb gains i know... but i struggled with 115... and whenever i work out i notice that if i take protein the day before i can do more reps... maybe its a mental thing as well too... depends how motivated you are as well. but i mean i take protein shakes 3 times a day at 46 grams a shake.

XsLiCk yes its doing me good i mean... i broke my collar bone about a year and a half ago... and i just started lifting like 3 months ago... started at 115 repping and now i'm repping at 185... newb gains i know... but i struggled with 115... and whenever i work out i notice that if i take protein the day before i can do more reps... maybe its a mental thing as well too... depends how motivated you are as well. but i mean i take protein shakes 3 times a day at 46 grams a shake. Yea, I'm gonna be doin 3 shakes a day at like 36 grams/shake. I'm not changing my habits, because it's working. Just wondering if this makes any sense at all. I'm not necessarily talking about JUST making you fatter. Maybe just it not being used.

christophers your friend is a moron Resident pro says so... then it must be so. Not like I was gonna change my habits anyway.

SLO2 Yea, I'm gonna be doin 3 shakes a day at like 36 grams/shake. I'm not changing my habits, because it's working. Just wondering if this makes any sense at all. I'm not necessarily talking about JUST making you fatter. Maybe just it not being used. i mean supposedly your body breaks down about 2/3s the amount of protein that you take in... and the rest is stored... so it doesnt hurt to take a lot of protein then again it depends really what you want to do....

mmm... nicely stated

christophers bottom line: nobody really knows how much protein the body can actually utilize in a setting. there is no realistic way to find this out and there has been no documented studies looking at such. it just hasn't been done, and even if it was done it's likely going to vary too much person to person and depend on too many things.. activity, calorie levels, time of ingestion, eg after workout, breakfast, anytime of day, blah blah. also.. size of person, lean body weight, total body mass, etc the type of protein is going to have nothing to do with it. protein is protein, all thats different between whey and a piece of chicken is the fact that whey hits the blood stream faster. that's all. I was gonna just trust your original statement. Thanks for the insight, and well said.

christophers bottom line: nobody really knows how much protein the body can actually utilize in a setting. there is no realistic way to find this out and there has been no documented studies looking at such. it just hasn't been done, and even if it was done it's likely going to vary too much person to person and depend on too many things.. activity, calorie levels, time of ingestion, eg after workout, breakfast, anytime of day, blah blah. also.. size of person, lean body weight, total body mass, etc the type of protein is going to have nothing to do with it. protein is protein, all thats different between whey and a piece of chicken is the fact that whey hits the blood stream faster. that's all. :golfclap:

How much whey protein in a serving?

Can someone post the link to the guy who lost weight on McDonald's

Can someone post the link to the guy who lost weight on McDonald's

I need it to prove something to my teacher.

You could have just googled it. http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/20..._18_pounds.php edit: bad link.

AznRyda You could have just googled it. http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/20..._18_pounds.php interesting, but annoying that bitch takes the film out of context. there was also that guy in supersize me that eats ridiculous amounts of bigmacs and never gains a pound.

the more i think about it the more that article pisses me off. she says supersize me was one sided and fraudulent because he gorged? he was eating what the normal person going to mcdonald's would eat, the entire point of the movie. not to mention the fact that she lost 18 pounds obviously means she was eating less than her normal caloric intake therefore nullifying her whole fucking argument. /rant

It was also mentioned that in Supersize Me he was doing a lot of traveling and such putting an added stress on the body which on it's own could cause the weight gain, and health problems he was experiencing. I can't wait until this guy's 15min of fame is over. I'm sick of hearing that this is some kind of breakthrough, let me get this straight, I eat big macs and quarter pounders for every meal and maintain my low activity level you're saying I'll get fat... wow, I never thought of that. I had a supersized Double Qarter Pounder meal in his honor after watching that piece of crap.

No, the one I am thinking of is a bodybuilder that does it.

ignorance is bliss....*sarcasm* sounds like a Big Mac counter-attack to me.

Isn't there a film being done that's the opposite of super size me?

ACURA TL-S No, the one I am thinking of is a bodybuilder that does it. i know which one you are talking about but i cant remember th elink. i will try to find it

going from a relatively vegan-like diet(assuming he eats what his gf the chef eats) to eating nothing but mcdonalds, I think anyone in that situation with get his ass kicked. Though who can't finish a double quarter pounder w/cheese meal. Weak...

www.truthinfitness.org is the one you want

it was called the McLes diet. he was a teacher proving to his students that eating Mcdonalds, coupled with keeping an active lifestyle, won't turn you into a fatty.

christophers well dur dur, despite what many people here think the laws of thermodynamics are not altered by eating "Bad" food such as mcdonalds. Not particularly targeting the people commenting in this thread but the average person needs something (or entity) to shift responsibility to...nothing is ever anyone's own fault. They always have to blame someone else for their misery and therefore McDonalds and the like obviously snuck in some calories and didn't tell anyone while forcing you to purchase the supersized fries and drink. That is why we have shit like this "documentary".

how do your ead the rest of the article?

Lurker111 Not particularly targeting the people commenting in this thread but the average person needs something (or entity) to shift responsibility to...nothing is ever anyone's own fault. They always have to blame someone else for their misery and therefore McDonalds and the like obviously snuck in some calories and didn't tell anyone while forcing you to purchase the supersized fries and drink. That is why we have shit like this "documentary". mf'n this is what pissees me off the most.

Can someone post the link to the guy who lost weight on McDonald's

weight gain

weight gain

just started to exercise again (mostly at home) and am going to join a gym (work pays for it ), but i think i'm too thin right now. what's the best method for gaining weight naturally and healthily sans supplements? i'm a fitness noob...be gentle

Eat every fucking thing in site, make sure to do squats and deadlifts, read the noob faq. I've gained 6 pounds in the last 5 days Most of it I'll shit out soon though

i have HIGH ass metabolism, and i don't want to eat shitty, so i guess i want to know what kind of diet i should be looking for when i do eat. because of work, i have an unstable eating schedule which i know i have to make more regular, but even still, my weight will only fluctuate +/- 3lbs usually

read the fucking n00b sticky

weight gain

talking to friend who is doing roids

talking to friend who is doing roids

ok well this kid has done a few cycles...he is 17...he tells everyone he is getting them because he can not keep his mouth closed...he basically doesnt know anything bout working out...once he is done with a cycle or whatever he will stop working out and shrink back down..i got in a car accident in august and got very much smaller than him...i have been back at it since january and i am now a lot bigger than him...he has told me he is getting d-bol this week but i have not talked to him since...so here is a little bit of what he said tonight MI HuRrIcAnEs 21: na i dont do them my brother does kid : people that are addicted to them and do them for years yeah they kill u kid : ur fucking dumb i dont have anything and if u think roids do that shit to u then ur pretty dumb (talking about killing you earlier than not doing them and other side effects) kid : if i get a scholarship then yes kid : and if not its the last time im gonna play sports so might as well do it as best u can (talking bout he should not do it for sports) (basically admitting he does have them now, like i said cant keep mouth shut) me : why dont you work out natural? kid : cause i already do and natrual doesnt work for me maybe for some it does but it desnt work for me like that me : works for anyone if you work at it kid: not with differnt matabolisms and such it doesnt me: eat as much as possible, it actually does kid : and i know waht ur saying about the roids but if it really would take years off my life i wouldnt do them convo is still going so if he says anything else ill post what do you all think?

the kid is stupid, he is too young



he sucks at sports also...was on jv in baseball and football as a junior

Maybe he read Canseco's book where he says that if done properly, steroids are beneficial. I'm sure this kid knows what he's doing.

NickStam Maybe he read Canseco's book where he says that if done properly, steroids are beneficial. I'm sure this kid knows what he's doing. obviously at 17 and done a FEW cycles, he doesn't

NickStam Maybe he read Canseco's book where he says that if done properly, steroids are beneficial. I'm sure this kid knows what he's doing. no, he has no idea what he is doing...he stops working out after taking them therefore losing all the muscle he gained...also has no idea of the bad side effects just knows it will make him bigger

Tell him to message me and hook me up. I'll treat those babies right...

NickStam Maybe he read Canseco's book where he says that if done properly, steroids are beneficial. I'm sure this kid knows what he's doing. they are. when you are a fully matured adult anyways.

if the kid is too ignorant to listen, let him do what he wants and figure it out the hard way

If all hes taking is dbol alone he wont gain anything but 5lbs of water. He needs Dbol to jumpstart start a cycle of Test or Sustanon. He wont notice any real strength gains hell just look bloated. He will piss it out after he stops. What a fag.

gammalex If all hes taking is dbol alone he wont gain anything but 5lbs of water. He needs Dbol to jumpstart start a cycle of Test or Sustanon. He wont notice any real strength gains hell just look bloated. He will piss it out after he stops. What a fag. What are you talking about? He will gain a good amount of weight with a dbol only cycle and strength will go through the roof.

SteveO if the kid is too ignorant to listen, let him do what he wants and figure it out the hard way dot

Ask him "What do you take for PCT?". Don't say post cycle therapy, say PCT.

neither of you should even be talking about them, nevermind doing them. Let your friend learn the hardway

Neo22 What are you talking about? He will gain a good amount of weight with a dbol only cycle and strength will go through the roof. Isn't dbol what most bodybuilders from 60's and 70's took?

timberwolf Isn't dbol what most bodybuilders from 60's and 70's took? most athletes of this era I believe ps. gammalex, you are wrong

gammalex If all hes taking is dbol alone he wont gain anything but 5lbs of water. He needs Dbol to jumpstart start a cycle of Test or Sustanon. He wont notice any real strength gains hell just look bloated. He will piss it out after he stops. What a fag. and on that note....your wrong

gammalex If all hes taking is dbol alone he wont gain anything but 5lbs of water. He needs Dbol to jumpstart start a cycle of Test or Sustanon. He wont notice any real strength gains hell just look bloated. He will piss it out after he stops. What a fag. Wow, /yourself. Dianabol is used to jump start most cycles for the fact it kicks in very fast. Stength gains are awesome, weight gain is expected, yes there will be some water retention, but if you know what you're doing, there shouldn't be much.

lock this thread because there isn't ONE correct response to this monstrosity

wait...maybe just one

Filmboy44 wait...maybe just one Yea check again.

Filmboy44 lock this thread because there isn't ONE correct response to this monstrosity or two.

haha, in 15 years, his wife will leave him after he cant get her preggo, so sad.

gammalex If all hes taking is dbol alone he wont gain anything but 5lbs of water. He needs Dbol to jumpstart start a cycle of Test or Sustanon. He wont notice any real strength gains hell just look bloated. He will piss it out after he stops. What a fag. someones should not talk about thing he know nothing about....why do you think peopel used dbol to kickstart a cycle? Strenth gains w/dbol are frightning, you can eat like shit and the increase in strength is still astounding, when used correctly dbol is fuckin insane... when done alone tho mass and strength drop off fast, very very fast.

talking to friend who is doing roids

What are the advantages of clean bulking?

What are the advantages of clean bulking?

I read through a bunch of the noob thread and it doesnt spell it out, but it seems that it helps you gain more LBM weight, and overall gives you better nutrition. Is that about right? What are everyone's experiences clean bulking vs. dirty bulking? Sorry if this is a repost, I can't search.

Clean bulk = Less work when cutting.

I know what they are, I'd like to know what the relative advantages/disadvantages are of each.

why would progress be slowero n clean foods? doesn't it just boil down to # of cals?

A lot of people think it doesn't make a difference. How much of the excess weight goes to lean body mass and how much goes to fat is mostly determined by genetics. 80%. Its your P-ratio.

So basically with dirty bulking you put on more fat and less muscle? Am I interpreting that right?

food is all comprised of the same chemicals, 'clean' foods are not some magical form of chemicals that adds muscle without fat. The greater the carloric surplus the greater the fat gain, but also the greater the muscle gain. Its just going to be easier going far over the caloric maintenance level on 'dirty' foods. If you counted calories on a dirty bulk and a clean bulk and ate the same level of calories, I'm quite confident the fat gains would be relatively unnoticable

Bulking:Dirty Bulk = More Fat, More Muscle, Less Time Clean Bulk = Less Fat, More Muscle, More Time Cutting:Dirty Bulk = Takes Longer to loose the bf, keep more muscle mass Clean Bulk = Less bf to cut, could loose more muscle mass during cutting process than dirty bulk

christophers I agree with wazzle26

clean bulking will result in either really slow/no gains. if you seriously want to put on mass and get stronger, just eat balls to the wall. enjoy yourself too, eat fries and hamburgers and pie and shit. that makes the subsequent cutting a lot easier.

Sweet, I think dirty bulking is the way to go for myself personally. I think I am just going to eat pretty much normally but just add in stuff like chocolate bars, burgers, more pop, pizza. Want to add 10 pounds by July. Edit: I assume you just mean it makes the cutting easier because you'll have only been on strict diet for 6 months instead of 12...I'm hoping it'll make cutting easier because I won't be gaining a bigger appetite, but rather just an addiction to sugar, therefore I'll get cravings but not hunger pains when I cut.

Clean bulking is a slow process no doubt...I believe its for people who have already achieved some sort of serious muscle mass though. I think most kids in here need to eat clean 3-4 days and pig out the rest. Kind of a 50 50 mix. EVeryones afraid of getting fat...well to get to were i am I got huge/strong bloated and fat. Then cut it all off with hardcore diets. You do this over a few times and you come back leaner/denser and better everytime at the same offseason weight. Thats how I get to 260 and still stay 12%ish nowadays. disclaimer... Pl'ers are exempt as usual

PurEvl Clean bulking is a slow process no doubt...I believe its for people who have already achieved some sort of serious muscle mass though. I think most kids in here need to eat clean 3-4 days and pig out the rest. Kind of a 50 50 mix. EVeryones afraid of getting fat...well to get to were i am I got huge/strong bloated and fat. Then cut it all off with hardcore diets. You do this over a few times and you come back leaner/denser and better everytime at the same offseason weight. Thats how I get to 260 and still stay 12%ish nowadays. disclaimer... Pl'ers are exempt as usual nah pl'ers aren't exempt, I plan on going hard until I hit around 230lb, then cut down and maintain strength.

So....what do you guys recommend us newbies do for bulking? Clean or dirty?

I like diry bulking

dirty bulking just sounds more fun

did you guys find you got a lot of stretch marks during your bulking phases?

Rebs clean bulk = looking skinny all the time.. fixed

and i agree with Pur, i think the clean bulking route is for people who are already fairly big and just want to maintain their lean physique while adding muscle and strength slowly. but for the vast majority of people here, i think "dirty" bulking is the way to go and it's not as if you eat nothing but saturated fat...i still ate oatmeal all the time, plenty of omega3's etc.

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I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings.

dexterium I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings. are you shitting me?

dexterium I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings. Sugar to every meal and no fruits...let me know how that works out.

good point.

christophers ya, its up to you. however the person who gains mroe muscle/fat will pretty much always be the one to progress faster, especially if he lose fat fast ala werdna or the kid in our gym. also due to: more weight gain -> more strength -> more strength = more microtrauma = more muscle again, its individual.. but most people simply cannot think long term. its all short term. thats the biggest fault i see daily. shit I think my bodyfat varies with what I've eaten in the last 2 hours. no joke.

What are the advantages of clean bulking?

Bulking progress pics

Bulking progress pics

3-11-05 154 lbs. 4-28-05 161 lbs.

Holy sex muscles.... You're looking good man. Haven't put on much fat while bulking! You definately look like you have put on more than 7 lbs.

IMO you look alot bigger for only 7 pounds of weight gain. how tall are you?

great progress man... you sure thats only 7lbs?

wow

thanks for the comments guys. Im only 5'7 so that may accout for what seems to be bigger gains.

Socrates Holy sex muscles....

excellent progress dude. plus, great genetics for those "sex muscles"

:hawt:

Good job dude. Keep it up.

the pics never load for me

sorry, previous pic host sucked. rehosted, should now show up.

whats your diet like?

baseball17c whats your diet like? I pretty much eat as much as possible. thats one thing i learned from OT FN when it comes to bulking. 6:30 am, morning - eggs, bacon, toast, 2scoop nitrotech, 2pill thermo gain 1:00 pm, lunch- burgers or fish or well portioned frozen dinner, 2scoop nitrotech, 2pill thermo gain 5:00 pm, dinner- mostly alot of my momma's home cook'n (what ever it may be, just not fried). 8:00 pm, evening- burgers or well portioned frozen dinner 10:30 pm- sleep (during week) as i type this im eating a chicken pot pie

I wish I was short instead of semi-freakishly tall, at least for purposes of looking bigger

Add some Flax Oil into your diet.

KLoWnPR109 I wish I was short instead of semi-freakishly tall, at least for purposes of looking bigger fuckin'

how tall are you?

Close to 6'5"

what are "sex muscles"?

lol, sex muscles... ill have to look into Flax Oil

Spec2nr lol, sex muscles... ill have to look into Flax Oil

damn lookin good...bah I'm with tally...I'm only 6'2"ish but I don't look big unless I flex or am lifting. I hate that

any chance of getting a picture with the same stance and lighting?

disblohs any chance of getting a picture with the same stance and lighting? yes... i,ve been tanning

Bulking progress pics

Recommend exercises for a pregnant woman please

Recommend exercises for a pregnant woman please

again I didn't get anyone pregnant. A woman I work with wants to knwo what she can do going into her 3rd trimester. She has been walking 3 miles a say, but wants to know what else she can do. any suggestions?

I thought pregnant women were not supposed to excersise?

ask doctor

stationary bicycle would probably be best, but wouldnt that cause her to burn calories meaning less for the developing child. i would assume the developing child would need as many calories as possible to develop as much as possible.

KingGargantuan ask doctor Dear Dr. Leach, I was wondering what would be a safe and effective way for a pregnant woman to train. I told her to stop the deads and squats but she isn't listening to me. So if you can please recommend how much she should be squating and deading that would be great. your asshat, A buck twenny dipped in shit

In the military pregnancy fitness programs they start to gravitate more towards water aerobics in the 3rd trimester. Pregnant women should exercise, just not with a lot of intensity. OB/GYN should recommend a fitness program.

Hmm wouldn't touch that with a 20ft pole. Tell her to ask her ob/gyn. Don't want to be at fault if she miscarries or something.

box squats w/bands speed deadlifts clapping widegrip chins

dmaestro box squats w/bands speed deadlifts clapping widegrip chins perfect

Title Exercise in pregnancy: how safe is it? Source Sports medicine and arthroscopy review (Hagerstown, Md.) 10(1), 2002, 15-22 Total No. of Pages: 8 English Abstract The role of exercise in pregnancy (EIP) is widely debated. Pregnancy produces marked changes of several physiologic variables of the mother. Regular EIP limits the increase in O2 requirement and produces an increase in the absolute anaerobic threshold, which persists for up to 36 weeks. Exercise in pregnancy reduces the incidence of muscle cramps, lower limb edema, fatigue, and shortness of breath. Increased knee cruciate ligament laxity does not normally produce any instability. Exercise in pregnancy reduces the increase in baseline maternal heart rate that occurs in pregnancy. Heart rate and stroke volume increase more markedly with exercise in pregnant women than in nonpregnant controls. Noradrenalin response to EIP is lower than in nonpregnant controls. Blood glucose levels decrease more promptly and to lower values with exercise in pregnant women than in nonpregnant controls. Glucose tolerance normally decreases in pregnancy, but increases during EIP. Regular EIP improves glucose tolerance in diabetic mothers and reduces total maternal weight gain and subcutaneous fat deposition toward the lower end of the normal range. Regular EIP produces higher plasma endorphin levels during labor and better pain tolerance than in sedentary controls. Women who undertake regular EIP have a lower incidence of 3rd- and 4th-degree vaginal tears. Children of exercising mothers have similar birth-weights as children of sedentary mothers, and mental performance at age 5 is higher. If there are no specific obstetric or medical contraindications, fit pregnant women can safely maintain the same level of fitness during pregnancy, although exercise schedules may have to be reduced.

Title Exercise during pregnancy: A maternal and fetal responses. A brief review. (L' exercice physique pendant la grossesse: les reponses physiologiques de la mere et du foetus. Une breve synthese.) Source Medicine and science in sports and exercise (Baltimore, Md.) 17(4), Aug 1985, 407-416 Total No. of Pages: 10 English Abstract The exercise-induced cardiopulmonary changes are essentially normal or slightly exaggerated during pregnancy. The energy cost of cycle exercise is unchanged during pregnancy; however, the increased weight bearing, especially evident in late pregnancy, adds to the exercise effort during walking, climbing, or jogging. Aerobic work capacity remains unchanged during pregnancy, and typical training adaptations can be found during pregnancy. Hypoglycemia occurs more easily during exercise in pregnant women, even though lipid provision is exaggerated during late pregnancy. The influence of maternal exercise on the fetus is evident in changed heart rhythm and breathing patterns of the fetus. Birth weight is unaffected when healthy well-nourished mothers participate in mild to moderate exercise programs during pregnancy.

It seems exercise is alright if she was fit before getting pregnant. Aquatic exercise seems a good recommendation

reverse hypers

from those ive spoken to, walking is the way to go

I call this one "down the stairs". It's where you throw yourself down the stairs. There is also one in the works called "the coat hanger", not sure what its about tho. ibhell

Neo95gt I call this one "down the stairs". It's where you throw yourself down the stairs. There is also one in the works called "the coat hanger", not sure what its about tho. ibhell

Recommend exercises for a pregnant woman please

Step by Step Guide - Lose Weight And Gain Physique

How to lose weight and then gain a decent physique (Step by Step Guide)

Hello, I am 17 years old. My height is 5'6 and I am 154 pounds. I have been training for about 4-5 months on and off. I want to lose weight and then gain a decent physique. I have been using the routine below since I started off. My diet is all over the place, not controlled - I would like some information on that too. I am taking no supplements what so ever at the moment.

Day 1 - Back and Bi's :-

- Deadlift 3 x 10
- T-Bar Row - 3 sets - 10, 8 , 6
- Seated Row - 3 sets - 10,8,6
- Dumbbell Curls - 3 sets - 12,10,8

Day 2 - Rest

Day 3 - Chest and Tri's :-

- Bench Press - 3 x 10
- Incline - 3 sets - 10,8,6
- Dumbbell Fly's - 3 sets - 10,8,6
- Tricep Pushdown - 3 sets - 15,10,6

Day 4 - Rest

Day 5 - Legs and Shoulders :-

- Squats - 3 sets - 12,10,8
- Leg Press - 3 sets - 10,8,6
- Calf Raise - 3 sets - 20, 10, 6
- Arnie Presses - 3 sets - 12,10,8

Day 6/7 - N/A

Does that seem alright? I would also like to know if taking Creatine is good or not because I am considering that. And also, what food is good to eat and what should I avoid eating?

Your workout plan seems very decent, what I would do if I were you, on those days you have marked as Rest. Replace them with 45 minute cardio workouts, such as jogging, bicycle, jump rope, or if you dont feel like doing this, you can try performing the hardest Cardio workout of them all (Gorilla Cardio aka Hiit). This is a 15 minute intense cardio workout, if you want to know more PM me and I will explain what it is.

As far as your diet, you should try to eat less fat and fat calories, body builders eat 5 times a day, small meals but protein rich. All your meals should consist of 40% protein, 30% Fat, and 30% carbohydrates. The meals should me small in size and you should eat 5 times a day, up to 2 1/2 hours between meals.

As far as creatine goes, I would wait until you are 18 years of age before using it. Remember creatine does not help everyone, there as many people who use it and see no benefit from it, but there are those who do use it and see results. Creatine helps in ATP production which then helps increase muscle strength as well as mass. But remember using creatine will cause muscles to use water from the body, I read a few articles saying that using extensive creatine will in the long run cause you to lose fluid in the spinal cord and then you end up taking vaccines once your like 50. I read this, some say its a myth but I dont know. Personally I stay away from creatine, I just find it useless, but to you it might help. Again wait until your 18, thats my recommendation.

To gain a nice looking body were ur muscles are defined u need to start cardio, you cant just work out your muscles and expect them to stand out since fat will cover them. You will then just look like a really muscular chubby guy. SO in order to get into shape and look good, having all muscles defined your body fat needs to be at least between 6-8%.

I recommend you make a diet plan for urself, cut out fried foods, bad fat (fat from animals), fast food, and eat more veggies, fruits, protein bars, and protein rich foods. Switch from white bread to whole wheat.

Also get a protein supplement, you body once it has been worked out needs protein to rebuild the ripped muscle, if you are not supplying your body with protein you are just hurting yourself and not accomplishing much. I recommend getting Optimum Nutrition 100% Golden Whey protein, its one of the best with very low calories, and sugar. If you need help with preparing the 5 meals a day with the right %'s of protein, fat and carbohydrates PM me and Ill help you out.

How to lose weight and then gain a decent physique

Weight gain tips for underweight/skinners

Weight gain tips for underweight/skinners

This is for Hard-gainers. A hard-gainer is somebody who is underweight with a low percentage of body fat and usually very little muscle and definition. It's a stringy and emaciated physique. Hard-gainers don't like the way they look because they feel they're too skinny. And if you're not a goth, you probably want to put on muscle and look like a fitness model.