Wtf?

Wtf?

Is it me, or is F&N getting a lot of new attention from other members (from OT main)? What changed to make F&N the new hotness?

summertime baby

Mistich summertime baby Figures.

it's "OMGIGOTTALOSEWEIGHTFAST!!!11ONE" season

~*Pogovina*~ it's "OMGIGOTTALOSEWEIGHTFAST!!!11ONE" season Yup, you know it Pog.

this should count as forum invasion

evi1eddie this should count as forum invasion

Because we run this bitch.

cavefish Because we run this bitch. word up son!

we've been too nice to the newbs of late, time to start crackin the again

It's like it's a january down the gym. when you have all the new people doing their "new years resolution" to get fit. These people are normally gone by march/april

OMG, everyday it gets worse! Do people actually want to get into shape a couple of weeks before summer?!

Gutrat OMG, everyday it gets worse! Do people actually want to get into shape a couple of weeks before summer?! Like it or not, people honestly believe sculpting a hard body only takes a few weeks. Then it leads to disapointment..then they quit...and then everything is ok again

Gutrat What changed to make F&N the new hotness? My pictures in the other thread.

I think it's funny. A few of my mates are like hey i'm gonna start down the gym and get in shape for summer. I'm like what summer 2006? SIlly people.

its gotten worse since people without subscriptions cant search its harder to tell a newbie off

lol at noobs (like me) hating on other f&n noobs

A conversation between me and a kid (pudgy) at work yesterday: Him: So what sort of pills should I take to get in shape for the summer? Me: Arsenic? Him: No, really. I really want to get in shape for prom (Like, next week), but if there isn't something that can do that, I want to look good on the beach. Me: Well, what about diet and exercise? Him: I've been trying. I switched to light cream cheese and I do curls and walk on my treadmill each night. Me: Definetly go with the Arsenic.

Patrick Bateman :broly:

Le55Than0 A conversation between me and a kid (pudgy) at work yesterday: Him: So what sort of pills should I take to get in shape for the summer? Me: Arsenic? Him: No, really. I really want to get in shape for prom (Like, next week), but if there isn't something that can do that, I want to look good on the beach. Me: Well, what about diet and exercise? Him: I've been trying. I switched to light cream cheese and I do curls and walk on my treadmill each night. Me: Definetly go with the Arsenic.

Wtf?

stationary bike / treadmill - looking to buy, suggestions?

stationary bike / treadmill - looking to buy, suggestions?

it's for my mother primarily. i think she's leaning towards getting a stationary bike but i have no idea what's good or bad out there. what should we look for? anyone have a particular model they like?

you burn more cals on a treadmill. so that's what i would get. I would also go to sears and look at the nordictraks if shes wanting to run or the proform if shes just wanting to walk. They have an awesome selection out this year...not too pricey..and if you get the models with the proform shox on it..it's easy on your joints and feet. They offer a replacement warranty type thing as well...it's awesome. It's for 5 years I believe..and if ANYTHING goes wrong with it...even commetic wise (ie, buttons are starting to wear off) they will come out to YOUR house (no having to bring it back in) and fix it. Also if it breaks 3 times in a year, they will replace the whole machine and lemon it.

If you dont want shin splints i suggest you get a bike. Get a bike with serveral options of resistence and strech your quads before you get on and your all set to go.

what about an elliptical machine?

Stationary bikes are a little different, but if you want a treadmill, you can't go cheap. Cheap treadmills have crappy speed adjustments and data centers and the belt will quickly begin to slip which makes it all but impossible to run.

thanks for the input

stationary bike / treadmill - looking to buy, suggestions?

starting weight training...

starting weight training...

hey guys, i'm 22, 5'7" and at 140lbs, i've never really done any weight training but i would really like to start...i'm kinda in shape at the moment, i like to run a lot, i do anywhere from 10-15 miles a week...i know it's a long shot but i'm kinda hoping to have the build of a running back or something close... also, what kind of supplements are good for someone starting out? i'm a full time college student so I can't always eat healthy (or eat at all ) thanks guys!

TruBloodTransAm i know it's a long shot but i'm kinda hoping to have the build of a running back or something close... then don't run so much

TruBloodTransAm i'm a full time college student so I can't always eat healthy (or eat at all ) That won't cut it, and it's also not true. A good tupperware set is your best friend. I'm a full-time college student and it can work.

well what kinda routine do you'll recommend for someone starting out?

Ceaze then don't run so much Yeah, focus on speed exercises if you want to be or look like a running back.

speed exercises?

TruBloodTransAm well what kinda routine do you'll recommend for someone starting out? I'd recommend hills or incline treadmill training for the speed, and wind sprints for endurance. If you have access to resistance bands and someone to help you, you can do that as well. That's for the running part, I'll let someone more knowledgable on the weights advise you there.

Davo Yeah, focus on speed exercises if you want to be or look like a running back. He might've meant don't do as much cardio

starting weight training...

Need suggestion...

Need suggestion...

Alright i'm pretty out of shape right now so tomorrow im going to purchase a membership to my old gym. Now one problem i've always had where my shoes. I normally wear New Balance when i run but they seem to suck. Can anyone suggest a good brand even model shoe for running? The cost isnt a factor if im going to be comfortable. I will be using the shoes both on a treadmill and at a local track. Thank for any advice.

your going to join a gym for the treadmill ?

rhino Alright i'm pretty out of shape right now so tomorrow im going to purchase a membership to my old gym. Now one problem i've always had where my shoes. I normally wear New Balance when i run but they seem to suck. Can anyone suggest a good brand even model shoe for running? The cost isnt a factor if im going to be comfortable. I will be using the shoes both on a treadmill and at a local track. Thank for any advice. My advice to you would be go to a local running store and get properly fitted. When it comes to working out and shoes, they know whats best.

Silver85327 your going to join a gym for the treadmill ? not just for a treadmill, but to lift as well. im just wanting a suggestion for a good running shoe.

rhino not just for a treadmill, but to lift as well. im just wanting a suggestion for a good running shoe. Ive been seeing some comercials for shoes called Z Coil I dont know if they are good or not but they look comfortable.

Silver85327 Ive been seeing some comercials for shoes called Z Coil I dont know if they are good or not but they look comfortable. http://www.zcoil.com/ WTF? Pretty crazy looking.

I use Nike shoes with the Shox technology. I'm flat footed and these shoes don't hurt my feet at all. They have a lot of models too and are always on sale. Hope that helps.

thanks guys. i guess i will stop by local foot store and see what they suggest and try some shox. much appreciation.

rhino http://www.zcoil.com/ WTF? Pretty crazy looking. They look comfy dont they...

Silver85327 They look comfy dont they... actually yes they do. the closest retail store is 2 hours away from me though. maybe next time i'm near the retail store i will go try a pair on.

rhino actually yes they do. the closest retail store is 2 hours away from me though. maybe next time i'm near the retail store i will go try a pair on. Let me know what you think. I havent had a chance to go to the store here and try them on yet.

Silver85327 Let me know what you think. I havent had a chance to go to the store here and try them on yet. it wont be for awhile but when i do try them, i will post it up in F&N.

Need suggestion...

I bet you can't make a workout for me.

I bet you can't make a workout for me.

I need a workout that is a 3 to 4 day split. I need compound exercises. This workout needs to focus on muscle tone more than actual mass.

you're right, i can't

day 1: upper body 1) flat bench- 4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) heavy triceps - 4-6 sets of 5-8 reps 3) barbell rows-4-6 sets of 8-10 reps 4) rear/side/front raises-4-5 sets of 10-15 reps 5) biceps - pick a movement and do 4 sets of whatever reps day 2: lower body 1) full squats-4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) romanian deadlift-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps 3) reverse hypers, pull through's, or back raises-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 4) heavy ab work 5) optional extra quad movement if you want "burn", but 100% not neccesary day 3: upper body #2 1) dumbell bench-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 2) volume triceps-pick an extention, 1/4 dips, etc-4-5 sets of 10-12 reps 3) chin ups/pullups-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps, weighted or not 4) overhead pressing once every 2 weeks-3-5 sets of 6-10 reps 5) biceps, pick one movement for 4-5 sets day 4: lower body #2 1) deadlifts or sumo deadlifts - 5-6 sets of singles, or triples. dont deadlift every single week. for those weeks you don't, take it easy. 2) step ups, single leg squats, lunges-3-5 sets of 8-12 reps 3) leg curls-3-6 sets of 10-12 reps 4) heavy abs

What's a reverse Hyper? Wouldn't that be almost like a situp?

TrickyDick8806 What's a reverse Hyper? Wouldn't that be almost like a situp? No.

Nevermind i just looked reverse hypers up, anyway to do that without a machine?

Ceaze you're right, i can't haha. muscle tone.

OMG UR RYTE NOW THAT EWE DARED ME EYE HAF TWO



Sgt. Ownage OMG UR RYTE NOW THAT EWE DARED ME EYE HAF TWO Very tasteful.

Ilyusha day 1: upper body 1) flat bench- 4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) heavy triceps - 4-6 sets of 5-8 reps 3) barbell rows-4-6 sets of 8-10 reps 4) rear/side/front raises-4-5 sets of 10-15 reps 5) biceps - pick a movement and do 4 sets of whatever reps day 2: lower body 1) full squats-4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) romanian deadlift-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps 3) reverse hypers, pull through's, or back raises-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 4) heavy ab work 5) optional extra quad movement if you want "burn", but 100% not neccesary day 3: upper body #2 1) dumbell bench-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 2) volume triceps-pick an extention, 1/4 dips, etc-4-5 sets of 10-12 reps 3) chin ups/pullups-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps, weighted or not 4) overhead pressing once every 2 weeks-3-5 sets of 6-10 reps 5) biceps, pick one movement for 4-5 sets day 4: lower body #2 1) deadlifts or sumo deadlifts - 5-6 sets of singles, or triples. dont deadlift every single week. for those weeks you don't, take it easy. 2) step ups, single leg squats, lunges-3-5 sets of 8-12 reps 3) leg curls-3-6 sets of 10-12 reps 4) heavy abs What the fuck are you doing? Don't give him shit. For one thing, he said 'tone'. He doesn't know any exercises and he'll probably end up hurting himself anyways. If he really wanted our help, he would ask F&N PROPERLY instead of " " I bet you can't ... "

Now that I think of it. I feel like an idiot because this is probably a parody or something. Right?

OH NOES!!!11 Your advanced reverse psychology is too advanced for our feeble meathead minds.... clever boy!

Gutrat Now that I think of it. I feel like an idiot because this is probably a parody or something. Right? no, the guy just wants a brad pitt look

TrickyDick8806 Very tasteful. i will shit on your chest

SteveO no, the guy just wants a brad pitt look What? Brad Pitt? Well, then he'll have to get a leg double also.

Sgt. Ownage i will shit on your chest cleavland steamer style ??

Sgt. Ownage i will shit on your chest

Gutrat What the fuck are you doing? Don't give him shit. For one thing, he said 'tone'. He doesn't know any exercises and he'll probably end up hurting himself anyways. If he really wanted our help, he would ask F&N PROPERLY instead of " " I bet you can't ... " Yeah, lets treat every new person like shit.

oh.. if you want to tone just do 63 reps of every exercise

By the way, for the record, he edited his post after I replied. If I saw the whole toning thing in there, I wouldn't have helped.

Ilyusha day 1: upper body 1) flat bench- 4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) heavy triceps - 4-6 sets of 5-8 reps 3) barbell rows-4-6 sets of 8-10 reps 4) rear/side/front raises-4-5 sets of 10-15 reps 5) biceps - pick a movement and do 4 sets of whatever reps day 2: lower body 1) full squats-4-6 sets of 4-6 reps 2) romanian deadlift-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps 3) reverse hypers, pull through's, or back raises-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 4) heavy ab work 5) optional extra quad movement if you want "burn", but 100% not neccesary day 3: upper body #2 1) dumbell bench-4-5 sets of 8-12 reps 2) volume triceps-pick an extention, 1/4 dips, etc-4-5 sets of 10-12 reps 3) chin ups/pullups-4-5 sets of 8-10 reps, weighted or not 4) overhead pressing once every 2 weeks-3-5 sets of 6-10 reps 5) biceps, pick one movement for 4-5 sets day 4: lower body #2 1) deadlifts or sumo deadlifts - 5-6 sets of singles, or triples. dont deadlift every single week. for those weeks you don't, take it easy. 2) step ups, single leg squats, lunges-3-5 sets of 8-12 reps 3) leg curls-3-6 sets of 10-12 reps 4) heavy abs I was wondering why not DL every week?

jonno oh.. if you want to tone just do 63 reps of every exercise and make sure you keep track, any more or less and teh workout will be worthless because of over/under training

Day 1: 1 hour of elliptical Day 2: 1 hour of running on treadmill Day 3: 1 hour of running outside Day 4: 1 hour of HIIT running outside Day 5: 1 hour of running long jump exercises Day 6: 1 hour of running through the sand on a beach Day 7: 1 hour of jumping off highest building you can find Make sure to take 7200 steps (2 per second) to get maximal toneness, there's your weekly routine, repeat as needed. edit: Oh damn you're a tricky one mr dick.

ralyks Day 1: 1 hour of elliptical Day 2: 1 hour of running on treadmill Day 3: 1 hour of running outside Day 4: 1 hour of HIIT running outside Day 5: 1 hour of running long jump exercises Day 6: 1 hour of running through the sand on a beach Day 7: 1 hour of jumping off highest building you can find Make sure to take 7200 steps (2 per second) to get maximal toneness, there's your weekly routine, repeat as needed. edit: Oh damn you're a tricky one mr dick. I hope your not being serious.

I bet you can't make a workout for me.

The Ultimate Fighter

The Ultimate Fighter

The UFC's first "reality" TV series starts tonight on Spike TV at 11pm. If you are at all interested in martial arts it'll probably be worth a watch. 11pm EST, as in... 20 minutes from now.

flippin over right after family guy

I'm going to be missing it because of gymtime. I guess I'll check back here for a review.

Got the DVR set!

12 more minutes

haarago Got the DVR set! Upload to internet?

few more min to go

no cable

MikeTheVike1 no cable

watching it now

It's on now

at that drunk tard pissing over the guy's bed and pillow

a bit boring to watch but damn id love the experience... anyone wanna train???

I always enjoy watching people train in anything. Makes me wanna go work out the next day fired up and ready to go.

man to bad i quit martial arts in 1st grade could ahve been like these guys lol

For being ufc guys/coaches, I'm surprised at how nice and supportive they are in the training. Granted it's the first day, but I for some reason would've thought these guys to be a little more tough on these guys. Also, cauliflower ear sucks...

superbri007 that red headed fuck is a tool, i hope he's the first to go He finished the sick treadmill routine they had set up. 5mph@5mins 6mph@6mins 7mph@7mins 8mph@8mins 9mph@9mins 10mph@10mins it was something like that?

superbri007 yeah, and no one else did, so props to him for that. Maybe he's not all talk. it was 5,6,7,8,9,10 mphs @ 5 mins each btw ughh, thats nothing to write home about really. just doing quick math in my head, i think thats 3.5 total miles in 30 minutes.

superbri007 its easier to run 3.5 just strait-up instead of that pyramid conditioning shit they had them doing but, that was the point, to see who could do it, and who could not. are you sure it was the 5,6,7,8,9,10 mphs @ 5 mins each? think about it man, i know i can do that and im hardley in ultimate fighter shape, it had to be what the first guy posted with the time intervals increasing along with the pace if it was actually hard enough where only one guy finished it.

Undefined ughh, thats nothing to write home about really. just doing quick math in my head, i think thats 3.5 total miles in 30 minutes. ................. those motherfuckers were sprinting near the end, and it was nonstop

it 5 for 5 minutes 6 for 6 minutes 7 for 7 minutes and so on not 5 minutes for each

btw the ear is cauliflower ear...comes from grappling.

Undefined ughh, thats nothing to write home about really. just doing quick math in my head, i think thats 3.5 total miles in 30 minutes. While curcuit training boxing, grappling, and muay thai... it is nothing to sneeze at.

superbri007 they had 2 treadmills goin for 16 guys. for 30 mins each, which is a total of 4 hours...that gym session was only like 3 hours +/- They also had a buncha guys quit. Only one went for 30 minutes.

That drunk asshole is probably gonna win the whole thing (middleweight), but his best compitition is the yoga guy. They are both accomplished MMA fighters. Their Muay Thai coach is a BADASS coach from the Fairtex gym. Their grappling coach is also a stud. REPLAYS are on Friday, 12:00 AM, Saturday, 7:00 PM, and Sunday, 5:00 PM.

The Ultimate Fighter

My 12 year old sister weights 155 lbs..

My 12 year old sister weights 155 lbs..

and i'm getting really concerned about her health. she doesnt exercise much, and spends too much time watching TV. she eats a lot of junk and snack food too. wot can i do to help? words dont seem to do much.. i can see her being obese if she carries on this way. by the way she's 5'6.

weighs what use apostrophes in your contractions That being said, there's not much you can do if she's not going to listen to you. More than likely your parents are contributing to her poor health. Talk to them and tell them to stop buying shit food. There was rarely any junk food around while I was growing up. No soda/pop, no fast food, no snacks. Parents bought lots of fruit and we had that as snacks. Occasionaly got treated with something once in a while. But I'm guessing there's junk food around all the time.

RotorBalls weighs what use apostrophes in your contractions That being said, there's not much you can do if she's not going to listen to you. More than likely your parents are contributing to her poor health. Talk to them and tell them to stop buying shit food. There was rarely any junk food around while I was growing up. No soda/pop, no fast food, no snacks. Parents bought lots of fruit and we had that as snacks. Occasionaly got treated with something once in a while. But I'm guessing there's junk food around all the time. Where are the parents? I commend you for caring and wanting to do something, but unless you are very close or are used to bossing her around, the parents have to do something. Like stop buying junk food and turn off the TV

my parents dont seem to be that concerned.. sometimes they'll yell at her for eating junk food and stop her.. but the next day its bak to normal. wot about exercising wise? wot is suitable for a 12 year old to do? i cud tag her along to my gym sometimes.. make her jog the treadmill or something?

If you can get her to the gym with you, then yeah have her do any kind of aerobic activities regularly. If you can pull her away from the tv for an hour a day she'll be fine. Go for bike rides with her, I was a bike riding freak growing up. You get tons of exercise and don't even realize it. I could ride for hours and hours and not even know it.

5'6" and 145lbs... She's not that overweight I don't think, she has some things men do not have (butt and boobs)...

Take a walk with her every once and a while or play a game that she likes to play. Telling her what to do and not to do wont help. You have to show her through things that she enjoys. But just get her outside and doin stuff. As for her diet, you have to get that junk food out of the house, ill assume taht your parents are overweight as well so that might be hard. But thats really gonna be the key to her bein healthy. Its great that you are concerned about her! There are to many people who just pass off obesity as being ok, especially in children, that can be devastating.

Da Hell's Oracle 5'6" and 145lbs... She's not that overweight I don't think, she has some things men do not have (butt and boobs)... She's 155, and yeah, that is pretty porky. My little sister (15) is 5'8 and about 110-115. That's pretty thin, but my girlfriend is 5'5 and 128, and would like to lose a few.

i think if she doesnt wanna exercise you'll just have to chase her around with a knife to make her run, and dont stop until she starts to sweat. After a while she'll just start running without any negative encouragement needed.

thanks for the input people. do fatter people tend to sweat more? cuz she sweats easily without even doing much work..

yes they sweat more easily

My GF is 5'6" and 113. At 155, she'd look pretty fat. My suggestion would be to try and get her interested in sports or other activities that will get her more active. Unlike boys, girls tend to not lose their "baby fat" when they hit high school. So you're right to be concerned for her now. Good luck.

Tell your parents to stop surrounding her with junk food. She's too lazy to be working, so I know she's not paying for it.

waylander Tell your parents to stop surrounding her with junk food. She's too lazy to be working, so I know she's not paying for it. and we have a wiener

she's 5'6 and 155? Damn for a 12 year old thats huge. I mean all around, tall and heavy. I can relate to this, my little bro is 12 and he's a tad overweight but he's active, he plays hockey. Actually when he's not playing hockey, he's on the computer or watching TV eating doritos and crap. Its my parents that put him on this diet. WHat can you do?

Filmboy44 she's 5'6 and 155? Damn for a 12 year old thats huge. I mean all around, tall and heavy. I can relate to this, my little bro is 12 and he's a tad overweight but he's active, he plays hockey. Actually when he's not playing hockey, he's on the computer or watching TV eating doritos and crap. Its my parents that put him on this diet. WHat can you do? Wiener? Frank and beans...frank and beans.

Filmboy44 she's 5'6 and 155? Damn for a 12 year old thats huge. I mean all around, tall and heavy. I can relate to this, my little bro is 12 and he's a tad overweight but he's active, he plays hockey. Actually when he's not playing hockey, he's on the computer or watching TV eating doritos and crap. Its my parents that put him on this diet. WHat can you do? I guess let him know that people will tease him for his weight, people won't want to talk to him, he won't get a job he's qualified for if a skinny person applies, only fat chicks will like him (and thats only if there isn't a drunk skinny guy willing to give it to her), you know...tell him the truth.

waylander I guess let him know that people will tease him for his weight, people won't want to talk to him, he won't get a job he's qualified for if a skinny person applies, only fat chicks will like him (and thats only if there isn't a drunk skinny guy willing to give it to her), you know...tell him the truth. ah I'm sure gog will be availible as the drunk skinny guy.

trancezj ah I'm sure gog will be availible as the drunk skinny guy. Gog's down with the fatties? I wonder if he will be my wingman. Wiiiingmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnn!

being her big brother and all, i think you should just eat all the junk food in the house yourself, so she doesnt have any junk food to eat.

HOLY SHIT!!!! tell her to start respecting her body, the sooner she starts the better. and tell your parents to stop buying that shit and leaving it around the house.

This topic is 13 months old. My sister's weight has increased since from 155lbs to 170lbs

don't worry she is just bulking

kingfaz This topic is 13 months old. My sister's weight has increased since from 155lbs to 170lbs You have a panoramic camera? is so pics? Reguardless, this is bordering neglect/child abuse at this point. Hide the fucking little debbies! Do something, seriously.

you cant tell a 12 year old shit about dieting. basically its your parents fault for putting shit food in the house. wanna know my suggestion? accept it. shes going to get fatter and you're right, she'll eventually be obese and it'll probably be right around freshman year in HS. theres nothing you can do about it because if you nag her to get her to exercise and eat right she'll just get pissed at you. what your parents need to do is lay down some fucking guidelines and buy good food. allow 1 hour of TV per day, she chooses the hour and this must be very restricted, same should go for computer. or she can choose between computer/tv. she must limit her calories and start exercising 4 - 5 times per week. i think if your parents cared at all about hers and their own diets theyd stop buying shitty food but its obvious they dont, so theres nothing you can do but just accept it and live your own life

My 12 year old sister weights 155 lbs..

OMG like... do i need to lose weight!??!!!!

OMG like... do i need to lose weight!??!!!!

It seems like every single person I know is saying how I'm getting fat and that I need to lose weight. My dad just saw the new shipment of whey and said to me "if you want to lose weight, just stop taking those things and you'll get your old shape back in no time!" He said it with this disgusted shameful look on his face too So i ask OT... which pic looks better. The three pics are each many, many months apart and randomly placed.

yeah... lose weight

and then go to the gym and work out

Why are asians so fucking crazy...you do not need to lose weight. You need to gain muscle, stat.

Code:#1 19 44.19% #2 17 39.53% #3 3 6.98% 4. they equally 4 9.30% suck--it's a tie! So i did this same poll on BB.com and that was the result. The only person who isn't telling me to cut is christopher btw, i'm 135 in #2

superbri007 i say 3 for now, cause it looks like you could afford to keep bulking up and gaining some muscles Yea that's my current plan... bulk up til 180-200 and decide from there. But with literally everyone in real life telling me to go the other way, i'm getting confused as fuck. A close girl who's used to seeing me as skinny #2 saw me naked recently and told me I had really let myself go and that i should go on the treadmill with her. And here I am being so excited i finally hit #3.

For some reason my girl likes the extra pudge I've put on from bulking. In any case, if you're even considering "cutting", slap yourself.. No...slap yourself twice.

You need to bulk to 250 then cut.

please please please do not lose weight



christophers I made that one too many moons ago

i think you need to eat and lift weights. maybe buy a drum of synthol, or maybe 2? i

at pics

keep eating, the people around you are just used to everyone being small, they way they think is warped. everything you are doing is fine, just keep bulking

jonno at pics .

If you hang out with mainly asians kids, most likely you will look bigger than them without trying too hard. I know that feeling oh too well, but no keep eating and working out. Come back and ask the same question in 6-12 months.

dude how tall are you?

and the weight of each picture u posted!

i remember when my bulking went out of control. Im asian as well when i exploded from 160->210 man so many ppl started calling me crazy. keep up with it and cut.

AmCo i remember when my bulking went out of control. Im asian as well when i exploded from 160->210 man so many ppl started calling me crazy. keep up with it and cut. good fucking bulk. ketchup, if people are going to start calling you fat already, you might as well deserve it. start eating seriously and start lifting seriously. keep going till they call you obese.

1. 160 2. 135 3. 165 edit: @6ft

height?

keep bulking still too skinny. people who say you need to cut dont know what they are talking about or what you're trying to achieve, only YOUDO

all 3 pictures look the same to me

i wouldn't cut...hit the weights harder and keep bulking

OMG like... do i need to lose weight!??!!!!

Job change: may not have the opp. to go to a gym now...

Job change: may not have the opp. to go to a gym now...

I go to the gym to maintain my weight... not to get muscular, but just not to get fat. I am considering cancelling going to the gym all together because I do not think I will have time and/or opportunity to go to the gym once I start. Do you feel that I will stay in shape as much if I do workout videos? For instance, I like the Comcast On Demand videos a lot. I am wondering if going TO a gym will make a difference or if I can stay in just as much shape doing videos. Thanks

What do you currently do when you go the gym?

If you just go to "not be fat", doing bodyweight training and cardio at home with a good diet would probably be sufficient. Not as good as going to the gym though.

Just buy a stairstepper or a treadmill for your house/apartment.

If general fitness and weight management are your interests, there is plenty of shit you can do outside of a gym. Cardio stuff is obvious (walk, jog, bike or get an elliptical, treadmill, etc...). For strength training, look for a book called "The Naked Warrior" by Pavel Tsatsouline... strength training concepts, routines, and exercises using bodyweight and a minimal amount of equipment.

There is *always* time to go to the gym, imo. I've never stopped going, not even during my working two jobs, 14 hours a day phase that lasted a year. If you really want to, you'll find the time somehow..and of course there's the other options people have put forth about in-home stuff.

Elfling There is *always* time to go to the gym, imo. I've never stopped going, not even during my working two jobs, 14 hours a day phase that lasted a year. If you really want to, you'll find the time somehow..and of course there's the other options people have put forth about in-home stuff. That's really how I feel about it

Elfling There is *always* time to go to the gym, imo. I've never stopped going, not even during my working two jobs, 14 hours a day phase that lasted a year. If you really want to, you'll find the time somehow..and of course there's the other options people have put forth about in-home stuff. I agree, but I am also thinking that it would be extra nice to save myself the money as well, because I am SEVERELY lacking in funds... to answer NickStam, I use the treadmill/stairmaster/some yellow cardio machine for a little while, and then I use the machine weights for abs, legs and arms... I dont do a whole hell of a lot at the gym, i spend a max. of about 45 mins there... thats why Im thinking it may be an equally as effective/cheaper way to keep myself in shape ... but im not really sure, so thats why Im asking you guys

Triple-C I agree, but I am also thinking that it would be extra nice to save myself the money as well, because I am SEVERELY lacking in funds... to answer NickStam, I use the treadmill/stairmaster/some yellow cardio machine for a little while, and then I use the machine weights for abs, legs and arms... I dont do a whole hell of a lot at the gym, i spend a max. of about 45 mins there... thats why Im thinking it may be an equally as effective/cheaper way to keep myself in shape ... but im not really sure, so thats why Im asking you guys Then you're probably right You can get a decent dumbbell set at Modell's or whatever for >200 bucks. If you shop, you can probably find used weights somewhere for even cheaper. And running/walking outside is free

Elfling There is *always* time to go to the gym, imo. I've never stopped going, not even during my working two jobs, 14 hours a day phase that lasted a year. If you really want to, you'll find the time somehow..and of course there's the other options people have put forth about in-home stuff. yeah, what he said.

freeskiwp yeah, what he said.

jonno *chuckles* It's cool, I'd rather be thought a guy half the time here anyways I just do find it funny because to me, Elfling is not a very manly name.

Elfling Then you're probably right You can get a decent dumbbell set at Modell's or whatever for >200 bucks. If you shop, you can probably find used weights somewhere for even cheaper. And running/walking outside is free sounds good... at least I know if I DO make the decision to drop the gym and just do videos and stuff on my own, it wont make a huge difference from what I do at the gym

spending money on a gym, might be more motivation for you to go...

im sorry elfling .im retarded

MikeTheVike1 spending money on a gym, might be more motivation for you to go... thats what I thought, and it worked for about 6 mos, but since the payment for the gym isnt making a HUGE dent in my budget, Ive realized that I just kinda "figure" my way out of the payment now.... I consider it less out of my paycheck now rather than less out of my take-home, if that makes any sense... I I guess Im just looking for words of encouragement as far as dropping the gym and doing it on my own... I almost have my mind made up, but Im looking for someone to tell me its a GREAT idea or HORRIBLE idea, based on the facts ive given

Pushups, Hindu squats, upsidedown pushups, there is always an option.

I don't know about everyone else, but paying for a gym motivates me to go. I spend xx amount of dollars a month for equipment that I'd better be using. If I didn't spend a dime, I'd probably be sitting home doing pushups and situps thinking I'd get massive. But the fact that I pay motivates me. I think if you can, just try to continue going to a gym w/ a (paid?) membership so that you'd have a reason to go out. Plus, while you're there you get to have a certain mentality that you might not be able to achieve at home. If you're not looking at that route, I think that motivation would be key in terms of working out several times a week. So maybe get a buddy to run with you or something...I don't know. I'm kind of rambling.

I think allot of it depends on how you get motivated. About 3 years ago I prepaid a gym membership and could never get motivated to go. As a result I never really made any progress and fatened up. I also let the membership lapse after it expired. I finally decided to do something about being out of shape and bought a bench/squat rack and dug out my old free weights. I started working out again on April 1st and have been hugely motivated so far. I'm doing the dreaded cardio by taking my boxer on bikerides 3-4 times a week and lifting 3 nights a week. I've dropped 18 pounds (mostly water i'm sure) so far and I swear I feel stronger. I screwed up and dropped a grip on my gym membership and never used it. I spent $200 on a decent home bench and use it all the time. I even look forward to using it. Food for thought anyway.

Job change: may not have the opp. to go to a gym now...

ATTN: Flat-footed Crew :sadwavey:

ATTN: Flat-footed Crew :sadwavey:

My feet are terribly flat-footed. I'm not exactly sure why I made this thread, maybe a support group kind of thread? I don't know, but do you guys have problems with running or injuries? What shoes fit you best? etc etc etc

Im flat footed as well

same here

I use the elliptical when I do any cardio, running on the treadmill makes my feet hurt.

New Balance makes good running shoes for flat footed people. I've also heard good things about Asics but I haven't tried them. I wear New Balance and I also have a set of athletic insoles because I'm extremely flat flooted.

I have flat feet, I wear a size 14-15. I don't have any problems with them

Have a pretty good flat foot also. Nick is right about Asics, thats all I used for anything distance in Track and Field. My sprint spikes were always Nike and distance shoes were always Asics.

I have collapsing arches...ended up getting some custom orthotics and some neutral shoes, still doesnt help out my shin splint and arch pain problems

in... brooks beasts are my best friends

not in booyah!

wood in... brooks beasts are my best friends WERD. brooks beast > flat feet

I'm in also

You all only *think* you're flat footed. I really am though Went in for a flight phsyical and the doc was like...." hmm you have flat feet - that used to be a disqualifier - but now its just a 'variation of normal'" my arches are non-existant

I'm in. I almost got kicked out of boot camp for having flat feet.

In I've got insoles molded to fit my feet... still have knee pains

ATTN: Flat-footed Crew :sadwavey:

So can anyone give me some advice?

So can anyone give me some advice?

http://forums.offtopic.com/showthrea...7#post33715897 I'm just wanting to make sure that I'm doing ok. Any suggestions would be great.

looks good but what are your goals? height? weight? bulking slow or fast?

Eat more. 1600 cal/day is nothing. 90 mins-2 hours is a long time; shorter and more intense workouts will probably do more for you. No need to warmup on the treadmill before lifting. I'd also save the stretching until you're done lifting. As far as your routine goes, you're focusing on isolated movements way too much. To build a good base strength you need compound movements involving your whole body. This routine is awesome for beginning: http://forums.offtopic.com/showthrea...8&page=1&pp=25 I would do cardio on off days only or at least at a different time of the day, not at the same time as lifting.

You're strength is not bad at all for a girl. 90 mins of cardio is quite a lot though.

girl you say? I must see a picture before any help is provided to ensure authentic and proper advice

Leb_CRX girl you say? I must see a picture before any help is provided to ensure authentic and proper advice I will post pics as soon as I get to where I want to be. I'm 5'7" and I want to weigh approx 120-130 lbs. (I would ideally like to weigh 120 but for the look I'm going for 130 is a more idealistic goal) I want to have muscle, muscle you can see. Not just muscle that's there when I flex. Basically I want to look like a "cut" girl but not a roid freak Right now I'm in what I will call the fat loss/basic muscle build stage.

Soularis You're strength is not bad at all for a girl. 90 mins of cardio is quite a lot though. I'm really intent on loseing weight

nic379 I will post pics as soon as I get to where I want to be. I'm 5'7" and I want to weigh approx 120-130 lbs. (I would ideally like to weigh 120 but for the look I'm going for 130 is a more idealistic goal) I want to have muscle, muscle you can see. Not just muscle that's there when I flex. Basically I want to look like a "cut" girl but not a roid freak Right now I'm in what I will call the fat loss/basic muscle build stage. respek! I wish more girls thought like you I hope you achieve your goals and in-turn satisfy my appetite of looking at picture of sexy looking woman

isnt 90 minutes on the treadmill a little too much? I would just do a little higher intensity and lower the time.

ok so I updated with my diet info for today.

BuckNut isnt 90 minutes on the treadmill a little too much? I would just do a little higher intensity and lower the time. i don't know if it is or not. is it hurting me? should i stop doing so much cardio???????

Read the two stickies about fat loss by christophers. His first post in both threads are gold mines. I still think your total cals for a day are low but that really depends on your own body. I'd up the protein to help you keep the muscle on while losing fat. This becomes even more important the lower your total cals go. Good luck!

Nick Read the two stickies about fat loss by christophers. His first post in both threads are gold mines. I still think your total cals for a day are low but that really depends on your own body. I'd up the protein to help you keep the muscle on while losing fat. This becomes even more important the lower your total cals go. Good luck! awesome thanks. i guess i'll have to start eating more eggs and tuna. and i was suprised at how low my total cals were for today. i'm usually around 1600-1800. and yes a big part to me is keeping the muscle...so i will take your advice and eat more protein. can anyone explain to me why this will help me keep the muscle though?

nic379 awesome thanks. i guess i'll have to start eating more eggs and tuna. and i was suprised at how low my total cals were for today. i'm usually around 1600-1800. and yes a big part to me is keeping the muscle...so i will take your advice and eat more protein. can anyone explain to me why this will help me keep the muscle though? why do we need it? Protein is a nutrient made up of amino acids. There are two types of amino acids. Non-essential Amino Acids can usually be synthesized by a healthy body from the foods that we eat each day. The Essential Amino Acids however, must be obtained through the daily diet. Protein has a number of important roles in the body, including: ----Repair of body cells ----Build and repair muscles and bones ----Provide a source of energy ----Regulate many important metabolic processes in the body Taken from: http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=338364

Hip Hippo why do we need it? Protein is a nutrient made up of amino acids. There are two types of amino acids. Non-essential Amino Acids can usually be synthesized by a healthy body from the foods that we eat each day. The Essential Amino Acids however, must be obtained through the daily diet. Protein has a number of important roles in the body, including: ----Repair of body cells ----Build and repair muscles and bones ----Provide a source of energy ----Regulate many important metabolic processes in the body Taken from: http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=338364 this i understand..i took anatomy and physiology a while back but have forgotten alot of it but i remember this stuff.

So can anyone give me some advice?

Thinking about Fat Fast type short term diet

Thinking about Fat Fast type short term diet

Anybody have any experience, or know any females (so unlikely) that have tried a short-term, really drastic diet? I'm thinking of something like T-mags Fat Fast, or the Draper Tuna and Water binge, something like that..just to get kick-started and get myself going again. It just never seems to be quite the same experience between guys and girls when it comes to dieting

girls seem to do well they combine diet and excerice with nolva

Mass girls seem to do well they combine diet and excerice with nolva If I thought I could get away with it, I'd be soo tempted to try *something* just to see; it gets frustrating chipping away bit by bit with slow results. Yes, it's the best way and all but...rawr.

If you lose any more than ~2lbs a week you will be losing muscle as well. It's just not healthy. Do it the right way, you'll be happier in the end.

It would work, but if you keep your diet in check you will lose fat just fine. Anyone that isn't losing fat when dieting (short of a very few with medical problems) isn't doing something right. And if you have trouble keeping your calories down during a normal diet what makes you think you will be able to do something like a PSMF without cheating on a regular basis.

ACURA TL-S It would work, but if you keep your diet in check you will lose fat just fine. Anyone that isn't losing fat when dieting (short of a very few with medical problems) isn't doing something right. And if you have trouble keeping your calories down during a normal diet what makes you think you will be able to do something like a PSMF without cheating on a regular basis. True; I'm just interested in something drastic for a few days to "jump-start" at least mentally. I eat pretty darn clean, went back to keeping my food journal as I have at other times, yet there's this point at which I seem to stick and the bodyfat just isn't budging despite more HIIT, different times, different lifting cycles..

Elfling True; I'm just interested in something drastic for a few days to "jump-start" at least mentally. I eat pretty darn clean, went back to keeping my food journal as I have at other times, yet there's this point at which I seem to stick and the bodyfat just isn't budging despite more HIIT, different times, different lifting cycles.. Less HIIT, more incline treadmill walking. BTW, I am suprised that if you are dedicated enough to have a food journal that you are having any trouble. What is an example of your daily intake?

*cough cough nolva and some triacana*

below setpoint maybe... what's your bodyfat %?

ACURA TL-S Less HIIT, more incline treadmill walking. BTW, I am suprised that if you are dedicated enough to have a food journal that you are having any trouble. What is an example of your daily intake? Basic day lately has been: 1) 1/2 cup oatmeal, 1 scoop pp 2)1 can tuna 3) 2 lean turkey sausages, broccoli 4) 2 sticks string cheese, apple 5) protein pancake/lean turkey burger/lean beef/veggies With different variances, it's coming out to 1600-1800 calories a day. I *think* what's been tripping me up lately is the little column to the right which is extras: 2 hershey's kisses, 1 peppermint patty has been the norm lately. I was trying to go for eating a little bit every day and staving off binges but somehow I'm wondering if that ~100 calories is really what's tripping me up. Workout regimen is 5 days of weights, 6 days of cardio- 4 of the cardio days are interval running. Seriously, after 5 years of working out and working on my nutrition I would *think* I'd be seeing better results. I gave up on the treadmill incline walking..it was giving me calf problems and I like running better anyways.

Thinking about Fat Fast type short term diet

Is it ok to run when my legs are still sore?

Is it ok to run when my legs are still sore?

I just started running yesterday to start cutting and lowering my body fat % so my legs are rather sore. Is it ok to run today again? Or should I wait for them to recover before i run again?

RLiu818 I just started running yesterday to start cutting and lowering my body fat % so my legs are rather sore. Is it ok to run today again? Or should I wait for them to recover before i run again? yes

Yes, it's okay. You will only be sore for the first .25-.5 mile.

go for it, it's gonna hurt like a bitch tomorrow though

Yes, infact, it will probably help with the soreness. Just don't over do it.

i was so sore one time i almost fell off the treadmill a few times, but that was just in the first 5 minutes into it

Is it ok to run when my legs are still sore?

Is this "normal" when starting out? 2 Questions..

Is this "normal" when starting out? 2 Questions..

Some background info: I am about 5'4 and weight 200 lbs, which I know I'm a tub of lard. But, I'm trying my best to find a good diet and my friend told me this one was not healthy. But I kinda feel like I lost a little weight because my pants seem a bit looser and keep kinda falling off and I've never had that problem before. I haven't even been keeping track of my weight really because I know it fluctuates alot. ANYWAY I've been on an Atkins-like diet for about a month and really have found no problem with it... meaning I haven't felt physically wrong or sick. Basically for 2 meals a day, all you are allowed to eat is protein, like Atkins. However, unlike Atkins, for 1 meal you can eat pretty much whatever you want, but you have to eat it in like an hour, and no snacking or anything after that whatsoever. It's called the Carbohydrate's Addict diet. Does this diet seem effective? Is it healthy? Thats my first question. My second little problem is, I get tired very easily it seems, or out of breath very easily. I run the treadmill's programmed settings (their called trainers' programs- it auto changes the speed and incline every few minutes) and I'm tired in like 5 minutes. Is this normal? Is it just because of my weight? I feel that when I just run 5 minutes it doesn't do crap for me and I really do push my limit here. It's not like if I break a sweat I just hop off and thats all, I really do push on until my heart feels like its about to explode and my legs get all wobbly and I can barely breathe. But I feel like 5 minutes just isn't enough to do anything. Is this normal?

That diet seems shitty. I think you'll stall + plateau soon, then you will want to give up dieting and go back to your original weight. There is no point to that diet aside from trying to limit calorie intake through no carbs, then trying to maintain diet adherance through a free cheat meal a day.... Its because of your weight and because of your diet. Go at a slower pace and work your way up. Probably because you are/were more inactive, you don't know how to pace yourself.

after a month of dieting, I better look in the mirror and know damn sure I lost weight or I'd feel like I wasted my time.

AznRyda after a month of dieting, I better look in the mirror and know damn sure I lost weight or I'd feel like I wasted my time. lol yeah I know the feeling, I'm looking into other diets right now. I just feel kind of discouraged and guilty when I can only do like 5 minutes on the treadmill and I'm like what the hell this isn't going to do anything for me. Then with the diet, I've actually been ok with it... I've like "cheated" once, and that was when I was really hungry and out for the whole day. I just wish I didn't get hungry all the freakin time

superbri007 Those low carb diets will be good short term, for fast results, but over the long run your going to want something more practical. Most likely this carb addicts diet you describe will plateau soon and will not become effective. The key to fat loss is actually eating, eating at regular intervals to keep blood sugar nice and steady instead of off the charts or way up or down Christophers sticky on fatloss http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=1561528 other important links from Ilyusha http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=1715744 you may wanna try some light cardio for 30-40 mins on an eliptical on like, level 1-5. Or a walking pace on an incline treadmill Thank you very much, I'll try these and hopefully stick to em I'm afraid I get tempted easily because well, my parents buy the food in my house so I generally have little say in what we eat, and they get junk food. But I'll have to make do until I get my own apartment

but the diet itself is cheating incorporated into it. I was fat for a long time and I tried a lot of different things so I know. You just have to man up and eat a normalish diet like the one outlined in the stickys. You will grow to like the taste of healthy foods after awhile. If you need more motivation, then doing something like a PSMF could kick start your drive, but its hard. A regular diet is pretty easy to adhere too, especially at your weight. If you don't succeed on it, then you just don't want to lose weight enough (cheating and not worrying about porportions or making excuses or whatever).

Oh, and another thing. I am pretty healthy and inshape now, but I still hate running. So its not something you have to do. I'd rather do intense incline walking and elliptical or stairs any day. Running sucks balls.

I don't know if that diet is a great idea. If you're only eating twice a day you'll probably eat more than if you were to eat 4-5 modest plates of food. I'd say drop that diet you're on right now because low-carb diets generally don't help you out in the long-run unless you totally change your lifestyle. However, at that point the fat loss will be tapered off and the health side-effects will not be worth it. Just eat cleanly and do some cardio. If you can only do five minutes you need to slow down a little bit. Just pace yourself so you can last 20-30 minutes.

xpinchx If you can only do five minutes you need to slow down a little bit. Just pace yourself so you can last 20-30 minutes. Yea, the intensity is way too high, lower it a little, and ease into it, dont just start running in the beginning, because you'll soon realize you cant keep it up

xpinchx I don't know if that diet is a great idea. If you're only eating twice a day you'll probably eat more than if you were to eat 4-5 modest plates of food. I'd say drop that diet you're on right now because low-carb diets generally don't help you out in the long-run unless you totally change your lifestyle. However, at that point the fat loss will be tapered off and the health side-effects will not be worth it. Just eat cleanly and do some cardio. If you can only do five minutes you need to slow down a little bit. Just pace yourself so you can last 20-30 minutes. ah well the thing is... I heard that you have to keep your heart rate really high and stuff to get any benefit out of it. And when I'm just walking, I don't feel as if it's doing anything much. Is it though?

Doing a south beach/adkins/fad low carb high protein diet is FINE to get you kick started and to boost your motivation. You WILL lose some weight within the first few weeks of doing this tied in with lifting and exercise. HOWEVER, your progress will slow to a crawl and this is where you have 2 options: 1. get discouraged, give up and blow right back up to your original weight, if not bigger -OR- 2. eat clean and healthy on a good schedule, continue to exercise and lift, and continue to lose weight at a reasonable pace.

www.bodyrecomposition.com If you're going to low-carb, do it right. Your progess *won't* slow with proper refeeds, etc. Look at Lyle's stuff on the Ketogenic Diet which is >atkins.

hi chief I've been on an Atkins-like diet for about a month and really have found no problem with it... meaning I haven't felt physically wrong or sick. Basically for 2 meals a day, all you are allowed to eat is protein, like Atkins. However, unlike Atkins, for 1 meal you can eat pretty much whatever you want, but you have to eat it in like an hour, and no snacking or anything after that whatsoever. It's called the Carbohydrate's Addict diet. Does this diet seem effective? Is it healthy? Thats my first question. Have you ever been on a "diet" before? The Atkins diet wants your body to go into a state of Ketosis. Low carb diets can cause your body to go into this dangerous metabolic state. During ketosis, the body forms substances called ketones, which can cause organs to fail and result in gout, kidney stones or kidney failure. Ketones can also dull a person's appetite, cause nausea and bad breath. Ketosis is prevented by eating at least 100 grams of carbohydrate per day. Fat makes you fat...I'd be more worried about that right now. My second little problem is, I get tired very easily it seems, or out of breath very easily. I run the treadmill's programmed settings (their called trainers' programs- it auto changes the speed and incline every few minutes) and I'm tired in like 5 minutes. Is this normal? Is it just because of my weight? Is this normal? To burn fat there are two states...aerobic and anaerobic. Aerobic basically means "living in oxygen". You are using your lungs to supply the oxygen your body needs to burn fuel(fat is the first to go because your body requires less "fuel" to burn it. In order to achieve this you must be "in oxygen" for twenty minutes or more for any real benefit. Anaerobic basically means "without oxygen". You are requiring your lean muscle mass to engage in a highly intense short term activity such as sprinting or weighlifting. Your body gasps for air and you will feel a fatiguing sensation as you reach this state. This is caused because the oxygen supply in your body has been used up. Having said that, Both are necessary if you wish to see any healthy results. The second you are out of breath on that treadmill, you are no longer in an aerobic state...SLOW DOWN. you have to build a fitness level...Like lifting weights, you aren't going to start with the 200lb. set right? You have to build up to it...

Is this "normal" when starting out? 2 Questions..

is it ok to work out when sick?

is it ok to work out when sick?

my whole family is sick with the runny nose, sore throat, congestion crap. i noticed this morning at the gym that my workout was twice as hard to do as usual and i think it's because i'm getting sick as well. i have a runny nose but that's it so far. it's ok if i still go to the gym tomorrow right? its my cardio day and i'm trying to lose weight so i really want to go but not if it's going to hurt me

i'd stay home for a couple of days and just keep your diet in check

i say its fine to work out when your sick... might be as hard... but it just makes me feel like ive accomplished more when i do it...

I actually enjoy working out when I'm sick, as it makes me feel a lot better. Make sure to drink extra water though.

XsLiCk i say its fine to work out when your sick... might be as hard... but it just makes me feel like ive accomplished more when i do it... i've heard that when you work out it lowers your immune system for a short time. is this true? if so that would just make me get even sicker.

I usually go when I'm sick, put i get nowhere close to my max numbers, and i don't do cardio.

dude, when your sick your body uses EVERYTHING you have towards your immune system, so if you're not fully recovered from a workout then you're weakening your immune system because your body has to use resources for recovery as well. rest, sleep fucking sleep and eat easily digestible foods. are we talking about like a fever here? cuz if we are, stay warm as hell and take hot baths, eat alot of vitamin C, and help flush it out. just dont workout, a few days getting well is better than risking it getting worse and being out for longer. you're not gonna lose any gains.

not a good idea as stated above

ryazbeck dude, when your sick your body uses EVERYTHING you have towards your immune system, so if you're not fully recovered from a workout then you're weakening your immune system because your body has to use resources for recovery as well. rest, sleep fucking sleep and eat easily digestible foods. are we talking about like a fever here? cuz if we are, stay warm as hell and take hot baths, eat alot of vitamin C, and help flush it out. just dont workout, a few days getting well is better than risking it getting worse and being out for longer. you're not gonna lose any gains. who are you talking to im a girl, and its a runny nose...no fever. no infection as someone else mentioned...just a runny nose.

superbri007 your a girl and you are in the "pussyfeelgood club"? as opposed to the pussyhurt crew

I'm with the others who said it's not a good idea. Rather take a few days off and get lots of rest so you can return to full health sooner. I tried to tough it out at the gym when I got sick last month and what was just a routine common cold ended up taking over a week to go away. Rest up

superbri007 I have mixed opinions. I have been lifting with bronchitis for the past month...and I wonder why I still have bronchitis So part of me says it keeps your immune system low. But when I don't lift, I feel depressed and anxious, which also lowers the immune system. so its 6 of one, or half a dozen of the other now I'm on a 5 day anti-biotic for my infection I've had some bad luck with my lifting schedules the past few months from injuries and colds Oh well, once spring comes by, no more flu season, no more being cooped up in college dorm rooms with the heat blasting and germs spreading yeah im kinda torn too. i get sad just thinking about not going to the gym tomorrow. but i don't want to get sicker either. i'm drinking OJ to boost my immune system. and i saw a commercial for these new immune system boosting drinks...so i might go get some of those.

Larry Lex I'm with the others who said it's not a good idea. Rather take a few days off and get lots of rest so you can return to full health sooner. I tried to tough it out at the gym when I got sick last month and what was just a routine common cold ended up taking over a week to go away. Rest up ok. i hate this...i really want to go o well, i better rest

I think its okay...depending on how sick you are. I like to for psychological reasons. I would just stick to light cardio though at most. Working out with weights supposedly taxes the immune system in the hours following the workout.

timberwolf I think its okay...depending on how sick you are. I like to for psychological reasons. I would just stick to light cardio though at most. Working out with weights supposedly taxes the immune system in the hours following the workout. i would just walk on the treadmill for 90 mins....the most intense would be a brisk 3.6 mph walk on a incline of 7.

cbrpimp I dont so i dont get people at the gym sick that's where i got sick....damn people not cleaning off the freaking machines after they use them but i dont thin i would get anyone sick from using a treadmill that i wpie off afterwards

superbri007 just cause you see it on tv doesn't mean its going to work get some echinacea, vitamin C + zinc lozenges, and get some low acid OJ don't hit me...o wait..slap me harder i have the lozenges and dayquil (my SO is sick so he bought it) and i've been drinking OJ.

cold - yes sick - no

nic379 that's where i got sick....damn people not cleaning off the freaking machines after they use them but i dont thin i would get anyone sick from using a treadmill that i wpie off afterwards Isn't there some viruses that are supposedly mostly found in gyms? You should get back at them by not wiping.

the people at your gym are going to hate you when you get them all sick.

timberwolf Isn't there some viruses that are supposedly mostly found in gyms? You should get back at them by not wiping. I clamp 45 lb plates under my armpits while rubbing my ass crack along the bar and coughing on the bench press.

timberwolf Isn't there some viruses that are supposedly mostly found in gyms? You should get back at them by not wiping. i'm not a mean person though i wish i was...but i'm not. i even went out and bought my own antibacterial wipes so i could clean after myself. I'm kind of an ass about it though....i make sure EVERYONE that is even remotely near me sees me cleaning up after mylsef so that they might think "hey i should do that too"

Silver85327 the people at your gym are going to hate you when you get them all sick. i hate them for getting me sick...and no two wrongs dont make a right...but i dont think i will get anyone sick....i wipe after myself and i dont talk to or breath on anyone

superbri007 your one of those girls my aim screen name is the same as this name you bolded the wrong part the "my SO" part should have been

i worked out a couple times when i was sick, all it did was make me feel worse and increase the length of the cold

is it ok to work out when sick?

No more cardio?

No more cardio?

What do you guys think about this article? http://www.superslow.com/articles/why_not_aerobics.html

1lb of muscle does not burn 75-100 calories a day. Newer theories shows it is probably more like 5-15 cal/day. http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=1677071

I don't think much of the article you posted. Cardio For Bodybuilders "... Sorry guys, but to be a champion in contemporary bodybuilding, one must do cardio. Cardio was not that important back in 1970s and 80s, but it is today. In the early 80's, the average Olympian competitor weighed in around 190 pounds. Today, that figure is over 220. Athletes are not only bigger and more massive, but they also sharper and harder. A prime example is Frank Zane. When Zane competed he was tight, but he competed less than 180 pounds. Try coming in that tight at 225. Twenty years ago, it was about being big and cut. Today, you must be huge and shredded. ...." Bill & Torbjorn's Conversation "... TA: During the past few years, there has been a trend in bodybuilding to omit aerobic exercise. I guess it's partially because there have been some studies showing that resistance training alone is quite effective for burning fat.32 This, as you just mentioned, has led a lot of bodybuilders to think they should skip "cardio" and instead do more of what we do best-lift weights. I don't think this is a good idea, even though it will work for a small percentage of metabolically gifted individuals. A natural bodybuilder just can't handle more than four or five hours of intense weight training per week, but we need more exercise than this to burn fat on the cutting phase of my program. Some people fear that if they do aerobics at all, they'll lose muscle mass. This is not the case. Recent studies [using a sophisticated procedure called "stable isotopes"] have revealed that, "Although aerobic exercise may stimulate muscle breakdown, this does not result in a significant depletion of muscle mass because muscle protein synthesis is stimulated in recovery." ..." Learn why cardio is a must for bodybuilders and what these bodybuilding experts think about cardio. "... John:I'm old school. I've been competing since the 1980's. Back then, cardio wasn't as important as it is today. This past year was the first time that I ever used it as a tool. Prior to beginning my competition diet, I was doing 30 minutes of cardio. Once I started preparing for my show, I increased my time to 60 minutes. I've never done more than an hour. Don't need to. Andre:60 minutes? During the final 6 weeks of my contest prep, I was doing up to 2 hours of cardio a day, an hour in the morning and another hour in the evening. In the off-season, I'll keep it at 30 minutes a day, four days a week. Andrew:Like you John, I never did a lot of cardio in the past. But Steve Weinberger at Bev Francis' Gold's Gym encouraged me to do more and it has paid off. My routine is like yours Andre. I do cardio twice a day, for a total of two hours. About 60 minutes on the treadmill in the morning and another 60 minutes or so on a stationary bike in the evening. In general, I set the treadmill on a 10% grade. When I'm 3 weeks out of the show, I'll bump up or tone back my cardio, depending on how I look in the mirror. ...." http://bodybuilding.com/cgi-bin/perl...ng=en&q=cardio

I think that this thread is about to be derailed.

No more cardio?

How do you know if you're burning fat or cardohydrates?

How do you know if you're burning fat or cardohydrates?

One question I still don't understand is how do we know whether we're burning fat from our bodies and not carbohydrates that we have recently eaten? I'm talking about when we're doing cardio exercises (treadmill etc) or lifting weights in general. Any insight?

You feel the tingle in your special place.

carbs are the bodies preferred energy source so you are using them first whenever you do any type of activity

cunninglinguist carbs are the bodies preferred energy source so you are using them first whenever you do any type of activity not if your eating zero

cunninglinguist carbs are the bodies preferred energy source so you are using them first whenever you do any type of activity So what happens when you run out? You start burning fat? What about muscle, how do you know you're not burning your muscle tissue instead?

doesnt matter

jonno doesnt matter .

christophers at the end of the day it doesnt matter what you use during exercise in laymans, you can pull fat out of the cell during low intensity cardio for example if you are depleted enough, but that doesn't mean it's oxidized. it will just be put right back in if at the end of the day you are not in a deficit. For most of us excersising without glycogen in our muscles is pretty bad because we may go catabolic and eat our muscles instead of oxidising fat. It's best to just tailor you're diet so you're in a calorie deficit but make sure you have glycogen (carbs) around you're workout so your body does'nt fuck itself and go catabolic. Having said that, a few guys on this board workout on empty stomachs in the morning and still make gains (ie timberwolf) but this is right in the morning after just waking up, so he may still have glycogen from the night before as it has'nt be burnt through the day yet. I though cos I ain't him.

eddscat For most of us excersising without glycogen in our muscles is pretty bad because we may go catabolic and eat our muscles instead of oxidising fat. It's best to just tailor you're diet so you're in a calorie deficit but make sure you have glycogen (carbs) around you're workout so your body does'nt fuck itself and go catabolic. Having said that, a few guys on this board workout on empty stomachs in the morning and still make gains (ie timberwolf) but this is right in the morning after just waking up, so he may still have glycogen from the night before as it has'nt be burnt through the day yet. I though cos I ain't him. you can in the morning since your most anabolic

christophers yes people drastically over-estimate glycogen like, people believe if you go to bed and wakeup, you are depleted. this is not the case. now, purevl on his 4tgh day of low carbs is going to be depleted. but he wont be for a few days after he carbs up. for the average person not employing strategies such as very low carb days, you will not be truly deplete dwhen you wakeup. if you want to truly deplete, and feel how shitty it is, do a few depletion cycles and eat low carb. I go two low one high and repeat, typically its 5 low days a week and 2 high, my high days are only 230 or so carbs as well. If i need to really step it up I will take the low days to 4-5 straight. You needs tons of muscle to be able to do this and also have to know your body inside and out. I can get away with it but others at my level would burn muscle in a flash. I take time to get sliced, some get ripped in half the time, thats there gift, mines the ability to hold onto muscle

keto stix

PurEvl I go two low one high and repeat, typically its 5 low days a week and 2 high, my high days are only 230 or so carbs as well. If i need to really step it up I will take the low days to 4-5 straight. You needs tons of muscle to be able to do this and also have to know your body inside and out. I can get away with it but others at my level would burn muscle in a flash. I take time to get sliced, some get ripped in half the time, thats there gift, mines the ability to hold onto muscle See I don't like the sound of carb re feed days because of the potential insulin spike and absolute raping your digestive system gets. I like the idea of just getting enough carbs pre and post workout and staying on a constant calorie deficit throughout the diet, at least for most normal people trying to lose weight ie most people on this board . Of course, you have all the experiance and real world knowledge so I'm just offering an opinion (IByouscareme ).

PurEvl I go two low one high and repeat, typically its 5 low days a week and 2 high, my high days are only 230 or so carbs as well. If i need to really step it up I will take the low days to 4-5 straight. You needs tons of muscle to be able to do this and also have to know your body inside and out. I can get away with it but others at my level would burn muscle in a flash. I take time to get sliced, some get ripped in half the time, thats there gift, mines the ability to hold onto muscle What does it do to your appearance? I realize bodybuilders do this in preparation for a show but I never really knew why.

Hip Hippo What does it do to your appearance? I realize bodybuilders do this in preparation for a show but I never really knew why. I get to under 4% bf at 212-218

eddscat See I don't like the sound of carb re feed days because of the potential insulin spike and absolute raping your digestive system gets. I like the idea of just getting enough carbs pre and post workout and staying on a constant calorie deficit throughout the diet, at least for most normal people trying to lose weight ie most people on this board . Of course, you have all the experiance and real world knowledge so I'm just offering an opinion (IByouscareme ). you're talking about a TKD, which is a well documented means of dieting for bodybuilders (as advocated by bobo and others for years) in a calorie and carb deficit, it really depends on the amounts of protein and fats in your diet, if you are not eating enough good fat, your body will preferentially use protein as an energy source; it also depends on genetic factors like your p-ratio

quasar you're talking about a TKD, which is a well documented means of dieting for bodybuilders (as advocated by bobo and others for years) in a calorie and carb deficit, it really depends on the amounts of protein and fats in your diet, if you are not eating enough good fat, your body will preferentially use protein as an energy source; it also depends on genetic factors like your p-ratio thank you, i dont have to type it now

quasar you're talking about a TKD, which is a well documented means of dieting for bodybuilders (as advocated by bobo and others for years) in a calorie and carb deficit, it really depends on the amounts of protein and fats in your diet, if you are not eating enough good fat, your body will preferentially use protein as an energy source; it also depends on genetic factors like your p-ratio Cheers dude

a couple other things, obviously it will be easier to lose fat with a higher bodyfat level and make sure you have plenty of water to oxidize the released fatty acids or they will be re-stored

How do you know if you're burning fat or cardohydrates?