Some dudes damnear fought over a DB last night :greddy:

Some dudes damnear fought over a DB last night :greddy:

The gym was packed last night. I'm getting set up to do shoulder presses and notice a couple of gentlemen of dark pigment are looking for a DB to complete a set- even though they already have the only other existing set of that weight (80 lb). They find the weight over by some light-pigmented fellows and ask in a very vague way if anyone is using it. Apparently the guy that was using it ran to the fountain for a quick drink between sets. Even though noone claims to be using the DB, the dark gent walks away from the DB and starts talking to his friend loudly. The light fellow comes back and goes to do another set. The dark gent apparently gets upset that someone has claimed the DB and starts asking VERY LOUDLY if the light fellow is using the DB. The light guy says that he WAS using it, but would be willing to let the dark fellow have it if he'd like. This answer wasnt good enough and the dark gentleman is walking closer and closer to the light fellow, getting louder. Still asking if he's done with it but now just being very rude and condescending about it. The 2 go back and forth with the light gent offering it to him and the dark fellow not being happy about the offer but wanting the DB all the same. Finally the dark gent backs down and walks back to his friend talking loudly about how "dis be bullshit" and other colorful phrases to make certain that everyone knows how he felt about the situation. The unhappy couple then took turns with the set of DBs they already had. I just made the face the entire time, since they were disrupting everyones workout, and grumbled about having to wait for the pussyhurts to get the sand out of their vaginas. Later, i saw 2 girls "working out" that looked like they had taken a break from standing on the corner. They had on SO much makeup and were dressed in just sweats and a tee, but had the tee tied in the back and hitched way up, and the sweats pulled way down to expose their fat asscracks WTF happened to my gym last night? it was like Ghetto Night at 24 Hour Fitness.

that is pretty another good one is when someone has pretty much all of the fucking DB's around them from like 25-50 pounds, and you want to use one they aren't even touching. Then they say yea i using that....no the fuck your not

2WHT4U that is pretty another good one is when someone has pretty much all of the fucking DB's around them from like 25-50 pounds, and you want to use one they aren't even touching. Then they say yea i using that....no the fuck your not I'd prolly be a bitch about it and just take it, telling them that I'll give it right back when I'm done. I can't stand people like that.

Whoa wtf, weird. Everyone at the gym I go to is so nice they'll let you work in anytime you want pretty much. Even if they are about to go or are like sitting on a bench they will get up and move. There can be 100+ people in this gym at any given time sometimes too. They range from tiny men/women to huge roided out dudes and everyone is always nice. I mean stuck up bitches and frat dudes are even nice. Although not too social with me but they are still nice.

ryazbeck Whoa wtf, weird. Everyone at the gym I go to is so nice they'll let you work in anytime you want pretty much. Even if they are about to go or are like sitting on a bench they will get up and move. There can be 100+ people in this gym at any given time sometimes too. They range from tiny men/women to huge roided out dudes and everyone is always nice. I mean stuck up bitches and frat dudes are even nice. Although not too social with me but they are still nice. USUALLY, that's the way my gym is. all walks of decent human life (minimal trash, etc) and everyone is generally really polite.

hahahahaha light skinned and dark pigmented what a PC thread

nic379 hahahahaha light skinned and dark pigmented what a PC thread I'm glad someone enjoyed that. James suggested I call them "Mr White and Mr Black" a'la Reservoir Dogs but I thought "the light gent" and "the dark fellow" was more amusing

~*Pogovina*~ I'm glad someone enjoyed that. James suggested I call them "Mr White and Mr Black" a'la Reservoir Dogs but I thought "the light gent" and "the dark fellow" was more amusing

So? Their ancestors who they have never met and probably have never heard a story of, were slaves like 140 years ago. We should lay down like floormats for them and give them reperations. I can't believe the guy even thought about using weights in the same gym as the black guy. Racist fuck.

hahahahha, i knew you were a troll

nic379 hahahahha, i knew you were a troll You definately didn't understand my post... You really shouldn't post about things you don't understand, because I was making a joke about the way things often are....not trolling anyone. Sorry you misunderstood me.

threads like this make me glad I am at the gym at 6:30 in the morning.

Socrates So? Their ancestors who they have never met and probably have never heard a story of, were slaves like 140 years ago. We should lay down like floormats for them and give them reperations. I can't believe the guy even thought about using weights in the same gym as the black guy. Racist fuck. would you just buy a sub already so you can use that pic of my ass as your av and get over it?

Socrates You definately didn't understand my post... You really shouldn't post about things you don't understand, because I was making a joke about the way things often are....not trolling anyone. Sorry you misunderstood me. if you wanna be like that about it, ol' darkie shouldn't have been at the rich cracka gym.

~*Pogovina*~ would you just buy a sub already so you can use that pic of my ass as your av and get over it? Haha, I have 2 more weeks until I get a debit card and I can buy a subscription. Mark my words!

Socrates You definately didn't understand my post... You really shouldn't post about things you don't understand, because I was making a joke about the way things often are....not trolling anyone. Sorry you misunderstood me. no i understood it..but maybe you aren't thinking about it from every perspective. i thikn some black people on here would be offended to see you say that because it's llike you labeled them all to be butthurt about racism people.

Socrates Haha, I have 2 more weeks until I get a debit card and I can buy a subscription. Mark my words!



cj48045 threads like this make me glad I am at the gym at 1:00 in the morning.

Whatever.



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Some dudes damnear fought over a DB last night :greddy:

Working out too much?

Working out too much?

Okay, I know that I am going to change my diet quite a bit. However, I have another dilemma: I think I work out too much. My symptoms: I am sore as ol hell all the time and tired all the time. I consume: 1765 calories I burn: 1817++ calories through exercise I do this EVERYDAY and I am feeling shitty everyday, can hardly walk around at school. Also am extremely sore. So I think it is obvious that my muscles just can't take it and I am losing muscle. What should I do? I would like to work out everyday but I guess I should up my calorie intake? Do I work out too much? How many days a week do you work out?

dexterium Okay, I know that I am going to change my diet quite a bit. However, I have another dilemma: I think I work out too much. My symptoms: I am sore as ol hell all the time and tired all the time. I consume: 1765 calories I burn: 1817++ calories through exercise I do this EVERYDAY and I am feeling shitty everyday, can hardly walk around at school. Also am extremely sore. So I think it is obvious that my muscles just can't take it and I am losing muscle. What should I do? I would like to work out everyday but I guess I should up my calorie intake? Do I work out too much? How many days a week do you work out? Exactly. If you're burning that many damn calories (which is more than you even eat) then you're not even leaving any calories for your daily metabolic processes (just walking around you burn calories, too). That is probably the reason you feel like shit.

dexterium Do I work out too much? How many days a week do you work out? If you burn 1800 calories in one workout, then yes, you are working out too much. But chances are 99.99999% that you don't, so you might just be pushing yourself too hard. You're also probably not eating enough each day. Have you just recently started a new routine?

Davo If you burn 1800 calories in one workout, then yes, you are working out too much. But chances are 99.99999% that you don't, so you might just be pushing yourself too hard. You're also probably not eating enough each day. Have you just recently started a new routine? It isn't really a new routine, it is more of a new meal plan that I have got, and I am now reevaluating it because I don't feel good at all. Anyways, I do a lot of running and stuff. Here is how I burn the calories:

20 pushups burn 20 cals?

deznutz 20 pushups burn 20 cals?

So you spend 1:25 running at various speeds, 2 hours 'working out, and a half hour stretching? I'd say if you were in good enough physical condition to do this, then you shouldn't be sore, and you wouldn't be able to metabolically function with 1700 calories. Nonetheless, this is required:

Are you the 17 year old that posted your "routine" the other day? You expected to put on 25 lbs of muscle? You obviously didn't take any of our advice. It's a fact that you will not put on any weight if you are burning more calories than you are taking in. It's a physical impossibility. You need to stop eating like a god damn woman, stop running, and lift some fucking weights. For the curious, this is from his other thread: For now, I am going to up my calorie intake to 2200 and I will see how I feel after a few weeks of this. I will continue to up my calories if necessary. My main concern is keeping my 6 pack. You're going to have to put on some fat in order to put on some muscle. If you can't handle that then stop complaining on this forum. So start eating at least 4,000 calories and man up and lift some weights. FFS

15km/h ~ 9.5mph you run at that pace for 40 minutes straight? I think you should start training to be a marathon runner rather than lift weights.

what the fuck. is it not obvious why you feel like shit you need to eat more. and don't do it everyday

no fat, no muscle deal

You have me really curious, dexterium. What exactly does your "2 hour workout" every day consist of?

diet and sleep should be the most important things to you right now...without proper nutrition and recovery time everything you do is counterproductive, and worthless.

cunninglinguist 15km/h ~ 9.5mph you run at that pace for 40 minutes straight? On top of that, he runs for another 45 minutes, 'jogs to class' (that would be funny to see), and 'works out' for 2 more hours. This guy either is He-Man or thinks we're idiots.

xpinchx You have me really curious, dexterium. What exactly does your "2 hour workout" every day consist of? My work out consists of a lot of stuff. Stuff like sit ups, push ups, bench press, biceps curls, close grip bench, and a lot of leg weights. It takes such a long time due to all the situps and stuff. My situps = crunches with 10 lb weight behind head, 4 sets of 50, nice and slow controlling abdomen.

you seem likethis guy i saw at the gym today...he was running on the treadmill when i got there...i warmed up...lifted weights(45-60mins) and only after i was done lifting weights did he stop running. he then went over to the mats and stretched. then did like an assload of various types of crunches...... now does anyone know what this guy looks like? me in 6th grade. no fucking shit. he was little as hell and looked severely malnourished. i think i saw a couple of the PL's add another couple of weights onto their bars when they saw this guy in hopes that they would never look that girly

dexterium My work out consists of a lot of stuff. Stuff like sit ups, push ups, bench press, biceps curls, close grip bench, and a lot of leg weights. It takes such a long time due to all the situps and stuff. My situps = crunches with 10 lb weight behind head, 4 sets of 50, nice and slow controlling abdomen. Christ.... Set up a routine....different muscle groups with different days of the week, allowing time for each muscle group to recover before working it. Stop with the push ups and sit ups, if your going to do 20 each, its not worth it.... now 100 reps of 3 sets...that might be worth it...

i believe him on the 40 min run at 9.5 mile pace, we used to do 45 minutes 6 mile runs (about the same pace) but hell... that WAS our workout in cross country. no 2 hour workout past that. and about the 2 hour workout... sounds like you do a 30 minute workout.... and then an hour 30 of abs... the reason you're tired and feel like shit and your muscles are sore and tense and such? it's called over training. you need to recognize it. take a day off, get good big meals. you can have fat on you and still have a 6 pack you know.. and hell. if you bulk up to 165 or 180 or whatever the hell ur target goal is, you can always go back to your caloric deficit anorexic diet and work out and keep the muscle but burn the fat.

dexterium My work out consists of a lot of stuff. Stuff like sit ups, push ups, bench press, biceps curls, close grip bench, and a lot of leg weights. It takes such a long time due to all the situps and stuff. My situps = crunches with 10 lb weight behind head, 4 sets of 50, nice and slow controlling abdomen. instead of going to the gym today i suggest you spend the time reading all the stickys in this forum, the archives especially. trust me when i say it will be time better spent.

dexterium Okay, I know that I am going to change my diet quite a bit. However, I have another dilemma: I think I work out too much. you think?

dexterium this is an example of something i've been wondering lately. even though he's eating enough to not usually be on starvation calories, because of all the cals he's burning, does that put him in starvation mode and make it harder to lose fat?

i think this thread is an example of what not to do..

28 minutes of stretching? Does that include every single stretch thru the coarse of the workout or?.....

Fabian 28 minutes of stretching? Does that include every single stretch thru the coarse of the workout or?..... I stretch after cardio in the morning, before and after cardio in the afternoon and then after workout at night. Trust me, I do all these stretches.

I stretch when i get out of bed in the morning

Working out too much?

Question about creatine ethyl ester

Question about creatine ethyl ester

I just started taking cee about a week ago. I am taking it in the recommended dosage, 2 teaspoons (5g) per serving once a day. Or should I be doing 1 teaspoon twice a day? I find that when I take it on off days it seems like I just shit it right out. Are you supposed to take it right after/before a meal? Also, is it okay to take it with my protein shake in a glass of milk?

i searched and couldn't find much, any help?

2 tsp != 5g you should not shit out cee. personal preference. though your muscles are primed for nutrient intake post workout. i take it after, nothing wrong with it in protein shake but i put oj in my mouth and just toss the dose in. i always feel like i'm losing all the shit stuck on the glass when im done with my shake

maniak I just started taking cee about a week ago. I am taking it in the recommended dosage, 2 teaspoons (5g) per serving once a day. Or should I be doing 1 teaspoon twice a day? I find that when I take it on off days it seems like I just shit it right out. Are you supposed to take it right after/before a meal? Also, is it okay to take it with my protein shake in a glass of milk? From what I have found on the internet, take it with just water. I take my creatine with water. The best way I have found it to boil about 3oz of water and then spoon in the CEE. Then pour that in your water bottle. This way you get all the CEE.

I just mix it and the di-arg malate with orange juice and chug it 15-30 minutes before each workout.

cavefish I just mix it and the di-arg malate with orange juice and chug it 15-30 minutes before each workout. I thought that Orange Juice was something that you definitely shouldn't drink it with?

There's nothing wrong with taking creatine with any kind of juice, why would you think otherwise?

cavefish There's nothing wrong with taking creatine with any kind of juice, why would you think otherwise? People said that with creatine monohydrate because the acidity will make it degrade to creatinine faster....but the stomach is a hell of a lot more acidic than some fucking OJ. CEE doesn't have the problem with degradation.

I take it preworkout too.

cavefish I just mix it and the di-arg malate with orange juice and chug it 15-30 minutes before each workout.

aenz 2 tsp != 5g you should not shit out cee. personal preference. though your muscles are primed for nutrient intake post workout. i take it after, nothing wrong with it in protein shake but i put oj in my mouth and just toss the dose in. i always feel like i'm losing all the shit stuck on the glass when im done with my shake I was just going by what it says on the bottle. I got it from BAC and it says 2 level teaspoons has 5g of cee. I don't think I am absorbing all the cee when I notice my bowels. Should I take less, maybe 1 teaspoon or break up the dosage, maybe twice a day instead of once?

From what I understand 5g a day isnt really necessary. My canister says 1/4tsp = 550mg of CEE. I just eyeball 1 teaspoon and it seems to work fine.

cavefish From what I understand 5g a day isnt really necessary. My canister says 1/4tsp = 550mg of CEE. I just eyeball 1 teaspoon and it seems to work fine. Thanks. Yea, I am gonna try and lower the dosage. Because a lot of it is obviously just passing through my system now.

How is it that you know that you're shitting out CEE?

Ilyusha How is it that you know that you're shitting out CEE?

lol, pics?

kronik85 lol, pics? you are a sick person...

tize ... ban



Are you trying to get banned tize?

cavefish Are you trying to get banned tize?

Cavefish Do it one more time, I dare you. I double dare you motherfucker, post NWS material one more goddamn time. Calm down, big man.

Ilyusha Calm down, big man. Someone needs to watch Pulp Fiction

cavefish Someone needs to watch Pulp Fiction

Don't be too sure.

Question about creatine ethyl ester

Anyone have experience with patellofemoral degeneration and weightlifting?

Anyone have experience with patellofemoral degeneration and weightlifting?

I can't run track much for the next four to six weeks to heal, and I'd love to get more lifting in. But will it stunt my recovery?

Shit man I have. Mine wasn't too bad, all I really needed was to wear orthotics. I lifted regularly while I waited for my knees to get better. For me, as long as the orthotics were in, I wasn't doing any more damage. I still figure that bending my knee 20 or 30 times to do a bunch of squats will do a lot less damage than all the times you bend it while running.

Rummy Shit man I have. Mine wasn't too bad, all I really needed was to wear orthotics. I lifted regularly while I waited for my knees to get better. For me, as long as the orthotics were in, I wasn't doing any more damage. I still figure that bending my knee 20 or 30 times to do a bunch of squats will do a lot less damage than all the times you bend it while running. How long did it take you to get back to running? If you were a distance runner, how long till you got up to a good weekly mileage? (50+)

James O'Leary How long did it take you to get back to running? If you were a distance runner, how long till you got up to a good weekly mileage? (50+) Yeah thats the thing. I was never a distance runner. I think 3 miles is the furthest I've ever run. I developed enough pain just doing like 90 minutes a week on an elliptical machine. My deal was really my overpronated feet. They caused a misalignment in my leg, which caused the degeneration. Once I corrected the foot, my knees felt better pretty quick.

My knees got better after I damaged them doing long-distance running; I gave up running, picked up lifting, and after I learned to do squats and other stuff right I think my knees are better now. I haven't gone back to long distance, longest I've gone since is 8 miles..but my goals are different and I'm just happy I can run at all.

Anyone have experience with patellofemoral degeneration and weightlifting?

Winnie-V: Need Info

Winnie-V: Need Info

I've been trying to shed these last few pounds (currently 6'1 215, looking to get around 195-200) and a buddy of mine just recommended Winnie-V (he has a connection to really a quality product). I've been trying to find some good info on it and havent had much luck so far. I just want to know if it is effective and if taken as dosage recommends, what are the side effects? (i dont plan on stacking it with deca or anything and i will continue my current lifting/college sport regimen)

Pharmaceutical Name: Stanozolol Chemical structure: 17 alpha-methyl-5alpha- androstano [3,2-c]pyrazol-17 beta-ol Molecular weight of base: 344.5392 Characteristics: TThis is another one of the popular ones. Next to Deca and D-bol the third most abused substance among athletes is stanozolol, as documented by the many positive drug tests. Among them the case sprinter Ben Johnson, who was stripped of his Gold Medal in the 100 meter dash in the 1988 Olympics. But since then the number of positives has grown exponentially. In bodybuilding Shawn Ray's positive in the 1990 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic (a brief stint the IFBB had with drug testing). Ray was the winner of that event, but Canadion pro Nimrod King was also shown to have stanazolol metabolites in his urine. That short paragraph to illustrate what sort of an impact it has made on the world of sports. Stanozolol is commonly referred to as Winny, after its trade name as marketed by Winthrop : Winstrol. In Europe this may be a bit confusing as the most available form there is called Stromba. Winny comes in two forms, an injectable form and an oral form. Both are equally popular and both are to be used daily. The injections are the same compound as the orals, which is methylated. Due to this feat it can't be esterified for time-release. So its not quite suited for weekly injections although this is claimed on the package insert of the veterinary form of Winny. Another thing that would further add to the difficulty of time-release is that it is delivered in an aqueous solution. That would not exactly facilitate the entry into adipose tissue, needed for the esterification and storage of the substrate in the body. The injectable version often gives more results. In similar doses there is still more breakdown upon first pass in the liver, making it difficult to get an equal amount absorbed. And on top of that it has to be mentioned that most people simply don't take an equal amount. Too many pills, lesser availability, higher cost. Many factors play a role in that. But of course an oral is to be preferred over daily injections as that gives the necessary complications as well. Think of abscesses and lumps, the searching for new injection sites due to pain and so on. Some have solved this problem by simply drinking the Winny injections. It's the same substance, also methylated to withstand the liver, the availability and price are better and its contained in water. So there really aren't many objections to this. Of course because they are the same substance, regardless of the method of use, its not advised to use Winny for long periods of time. Slightly less hepatoxic than most 17-alpha alkylated substrates, so it can be used a bit longer, as long as 8 weeks, but longer than that is not wise. Elevation of liver values is quite common. The specificity of Winny however, lies in how it counteracts estrogenic side-effects such as gyno and excess water retention. First of all it's a 5-alpha reduced substrate. 5-alpha reduction breaks the double bond between positions 4 and 5, which is required for conversion to estrogen via aromatase, the primary enzyme for the manufacture of estrogen in males. Because some of these compounds nonetheless show some affinity for aromatase they may have some use in blocking estrogen from other steroids they are stacked with. Wether or not Winny acts in this way is not entirely sure. What has been a popular point of discussion with stanozolol is its suggested anti-progestagenic effects. The theory goes that Winny can bind and compete for a position at the progesterone receptor much like Clomid of Nolvadex would at the estrogen receptor, thereby inhibiting progestagenic effects. Now, progesterone can aggravate estrogenic side-effects by agonizing estrogen and it does play a role in gyno. We also discussed that certain steroids may indeed stimulate and act at the height of the progesterone receptor including nandrolone and Norethandrolone. These hormones are also altered by it inducing a decrease in libido and a sense of lethargy and such, and eventhough they aromatize in lesser rates than some other steroids, they show an equal capability to cause estrogenic side-effects, particularly when stacked with other aromatizable compounds. Now there is evidence that Winny does indeed bind to the progesterone receptor1 and its users do not indicate the normal characteristics of progesterone stimulation, which bodes well for these anti-progestagenic properties. There is also some clinical data that it does aid in symptoms that require progesterone suppression2. Much in the way danazol was also successfully used. The one thing we shouldn't lose sight of however is in what rate it binds to the progesterone reception. There is no data on this. For all we know it couldn't bind strong enough to compete with nandrolone or norethandrolone. So its not wise to state that Winny is an anti-progestagin per se, but it does make Winny a good match for these products in stacks in any case. Strong gains are never really made while using stanozolol (it's a weak androgen since it has no 3-keto group needed for androgen binding), but decent and fairly easy to maintain gains are possible. Its limited time of use however makes most experienced users opt for other steroids in that regard. Winny, in bodybuilding circles at least, is used mostly during cutting cycles to maintain mass. Winstrol, like a DHT compound also gives a distinct increase in muscle hardness and striations in people with a low body-fat percentage. This lends further credence that it too may be a an anti-estrogen. But most likely it has more to do with the overall lower levels of circulating estrogen. Winny is also quite effective at promoting strength because it binds very well at the androgen receptor. Short term stanozolol use can promote drastic strength, a feat often employed early in a bulking cycle (although d-bol would be more suited in that case) or late in a cutting cycle to prevent a decrease in performance. This combined with the red blood cell count-stimulating properties of its androgen affinity make it popular among track athletes as well in order to beget better results. As many, including Ben Johnson, did not take into account it can be detected for quite some time after last use so its not advisable for drug tested athletes. Many have assumed otherwise due to the short half-life, but apparently some inactive metabolites are easily esterified, so they can be found up to 5 months after the last injection. Winny is mostly quite well-tolerated in men. Cramps, headaches, elevated blood pressure and cholesterol levels and liver damage are noted, but on a not so-frequent basis. Standard virilization symptoms associated with the stimulating of the androgen receptor, however, are a problem. Acne, prostate hypertrophy and an aggravation of male pattern baldness can occur, so use by women has to be discouraged. Due to the frequent rate of injections, users generally have to go spotting for different sites of injection on the body. Calves, shoulders, arms and such. When doing so they noted a localized increase in mass which has given root to the myth that Winny can add muscle where it is injected. What I'm about to say goes for all compounds known to date : Steroids do not increase mass locally. The observance is noted because the injection breaks the fascia around the muscle, which possibly gives a muscle a little more room to grow. This is mostly temporary, and in the best cases very limited. Multiple injections would not increase the size in comparison. When the fascia heals, if it heals, it can lead to something called compartments syndrome, where a nerve is pinched between a muscle and its fascia. Leading to numbness quite often and in some cases to a paralysis of everything that nerve controls. This is not a frequent occurrence. This is rare, but my point was documenting that localized growth spurred by an injection is a myth. A last note about injectable Winny is : shake before use. Its called an aqueous solution, but the Winny being a steroid is not particularly polar, meaning it doesn't dissolve in the water. When the stuff sits, it will accumulate at the bottom of the vial. A good way to recognize the real stuff as well. So shake before you draw it into a syringe or mix it before you drink it, and perhaps even stir it again once in the syringe prior to injection. Stacking and Use: Winstrol is best used at a rate of 50 mg a day. When in an injection that amounts to a single injection every day around the same time. In orals, that'll be at least 5 tabs of a legit product. In a mass stack Winny makes a good match for Deca and Nilevar. Whether or not its anti-progestagenic effects are for real or not, lets just say it can't hurt. In any stack with Deca the use of 25-50 mg a day for the first 6-8 weeks of the stack can kickstart it and add some strength. With Nilevar there is a practical objection because it is also 17-alpha alkylated and more toxic than Winny, so your stack would be limited to 6 weeks, which is not overly productive. The pink ones are Anabol (Dianabol) and the yellow ones are Stanabol (Winstrol). These are very popular right now. They are 5 mg tabs and they sell for less than 30 cents a tab. For cutting purposes Boldenone, Masteron and trenbolone are the best options. If you are employing a longer stack, then use 25-50 mg of Winny for 6 weeks or so at the end of the stack. Boldenone is the best match here as the other two do basically the same thing. They act solely or mostly at the androgen receptor. Making them poorer choices since simply upping the dose of Winny would mostly achieve similar results. Of course neither is methylated, which allows for longer use. There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain. References 1 Ellis AJ, Cawston TE, Mackie EJ., The differential effects of stanozolol on human skin and synovial fibroblasts in vitro: DNA synthesis and receptor binding., Agents Actions 1994 Mar;41(1-2):37-43 2 Brestel EP, Thrush LB., The treatment of glucocorticosteroid-dependent chronic urticaria with stanozolol., J Allergy Clin Immunol 1988 Aug;82(2):265-9 From bodybuilding.com

you should be able to lose the weight with the right diet and enough cardio. if your diet isnt in check you probably wont lose it on winny

you are not experienced enough

there is no steroid that will cut bodyfat on its own, im sorry you've been misinformed.

Mass there is no steroid that will cut bodyfat on its own, im sorry you've been misinformed. /thread

Winnie-V: Need Info

Posing Song

Posing Song

If you were going to do a "show" what song would you pose to? (sorry if this is a repost) I've always liked the song "More Than Human" by White Zombie (Rob Zombie).

Oh shit! I just did a search.... there was a thread on this in Feb... sorry guys...

is300eater Oh shit! I just did a search.... there was a thread on this in Feb... sorry guys... Good noob. But because you admitted to your wrong doing I will allow this thread to remain open.

C&C Music Factory - Gonna Make You Sweat

Joser C&C Music Factory - Gonna Make You Sweat

Grouch Good noob. But because you admitted to your wrong doing I will allow this thread to remain open.

Posing Song

How much whey protein in a serving?

How much whey protein in a serving?

A friend just told me that your stomach can only handle like 25g of whey protein in half an hour, so anything more just gets turned into fatty acid. Trying to figure out if this is true.

mmm in my serving i take 46 grams and i dont notice anything making me fatter...

SLO2 A friend just told me that your stomach can only handle like 25g of whey protein in half an hour, so anything more just gets turned into fatty acid. Trying to figure out if this is true. So he's saying that regardless of whether or not you are in caloric deficit, consuming more than 25g of whey in half an hour will make you fat. Thats totally logical

XsLiCk mmm in my serving i take 46 grams and i dont notice anything making me fatter... But is it doing you any good? That's my question

Up All Night So he's saying that regardless of whether or not you are in caloric deficit, consuming more than 25g of whey in half an hour will make you fat. Thats totally logical Yea, that's why I was asking here. I'm wondering if it's possible that it gets digested too fast to be processed. Which wouldn't have anything to do with a caloric deficit would it?

SLO2 Yea, that's why I was asking here. I'm wondering if it's possible that it gets digested too fast to be processed. Which wouldn't have anything to do with a caloric deficit would it? Weight gain/weight loss has everything to do with caloric deficit

yes its doing me good i mean... i broke my collar bone about a year and a half ago... and i just started lifting like 3 months ago... started at 115 repping and now i'm repping at 185... newb gains i know... but i struggled with 115... and whenever i work out i notice that if i take protein the day before i can do more reps... maybe its a mental thing as well too... depends how motivated you are as well. but i mean i take protein shakes 3 times a day at 46 grams a shake.

XsLiCk yes its doing me good i mean... i broke my collar bone about a year and a half ago... and i just started lifting like 3 months ago... started at 115 repping and now i'm repping at 185... newb gains i know... but i struggled with 115... and whenever i work out i notice that if i take protein the day before i can do more reps... maybe its a mental thing as well too... depends how motivated you are as well. but i mean i take protein shakes 3 times a day at 46 grams a shake. Yea, I'm gonna be doin 3 shakes a day at like 36 grams/shake. I'm not changing my habits, because it's working. Just wondering if this makes any sense at all. I'm not necessarily talking about JUST making you fatter. Maybe just it not being used.

christophers your friend is a moron Resident pro says so... then it must be so. Not like I was gonna change my habits anyway.

SLO2 Yea, I'm gonna be doin 3 shakes a day at like 36 grams/shake. I'm not changing my habits, because it's working. Just wondering if this makes any sense at all. I'm not necessarily talking about JUST making you fatter. Maybe just it not being used. i mean supposedly your body breaks down about 2/3s the amount of protein that you take in... and the rest is stored... so it doesnt hurt to take a lot of protein then again it depends really what you want to do....

mmm... nicely stated

christophers bottom line: nobody really knows how much protein the body can actually utilize in a setting. there is no realistic way to find this out and there has been no documented studies looking at such. it just hasn't been done, and even if it was done it's likely going to vary too much person to person and depend on too many things.. activity, calorie levels, time of ingestion, eg after workout, breakfast, anytime of day, blah blah. also.. size of person, lean body weight, total body mass, etc the type of protein is going to have nothing to do with it. protein is protein, all thats different between whey and a piece of chicken is the fact that whey hits the blood stream faster. that's all. I was gonna just trust your original statement. Thanks for the insight, and well said.

christophers bottom line: nobody really knows how much protein the body can actually utilize in a setting. there is no realistic way to find this out and there has been no documented studies looking at such. it just hasn't been done, and even if it was done it's likely going to vary too much person to person and depend on too many things.. activity, calorie levels, time of ingestion, eg after workout, breakfast, anytime of day, blah blah. also.. size of person, lean body weight, total body mass, etc the type of protein is going to have nothing to do with it. protein is protein, all thats different between whey and a piece of chicken is the fact that whey hits the blood stream faster. that's all. :golfclap:

How much whey protein in a serving?