Judge strikes down FDA ban on ephedra!!!1

Judge strikes down FDA ban on ephedra!!!1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7504443/

so it's coming back?

msnbc.com SALT LAKE CITY - A federal judge Thursday struck down the FDA ban on ephedra, the once-popular weight-loss aid that was yanked from the market after it was linked to dozens of deaths. advertisement The judge ruled in favor of a Utah company that challenged the Food and Drug Administration's ban. Utah-based Nutraceutical claimed in its lawsuit that ephedra "has been safely consumed" for hundreds of years. Supplements that included ephedra have been widely used for weight loss and bodybuilding, but have been linked to 155 deaths, including that of Baltimore Orioles pitching prospect Steve Bechler. The FDA ordered the substance off the market in April 2004. .

Now to see if this will be marketed well, challenges before chances of manufacturing, etc...

Noice

whats the big deal? ephedrine has been legal all along and I thought that it is better than ephedra, at least in to the degree that the concentration per tab is more uniform.

i read in one of the articles that the ball is in the FDA's court now or something along those lines giivng me the impression that although that judge ruled in favor of the utah company, the fda can still ban it.

meh who gives a shit really....

Dragon whats the big deal? ephedrine has been legal all along and I thought that it is better than ephedra, at least in to the degree that the concentration per tab is more uniform. Tell me how easily you can find ephedrine by itself, without a prescription...

Sgt. Ownage meh who gives a shit really.... no ph no care?

tryfuhl Tell me how easily you can find ephedrine by itself, without a prescription... 1fast400.com

gsteclipse97 1fast400.com tryfuhl Tell me how easily you can find ephedrine by itself, without a prescription... can you not read?

tryfuhl no ph no care? nah, just that ephedrine eclipses ephedra in price/effectiveness

mike so it's coming back? it was never really gone

Sgt. Ownage nah, just that ephedrine eclipses ephedra in price/effectiveness Yeah, but if this pans out, we'll be able to get it straight.. and in mixes as a dietary supplement... I don't think that some people are getting that ephedrine can't be in dietary supplements, or sold straight (easily), either

superbri007 1fast400 sells it by itself, last time i checked....but it was out of stock. now, ephedrine with Guaifenesin is another story Yeah, it's been out of stock for years though

spoofy it was never really gone you on the other hand, have been

http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=50 i wouldnt call this out of stock. jeez it was never gone, just the products like stacker and xenadrine were and every one makes to big of a deal of the guaifenesin

gsteclipse97 http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=50 i wouldnt call this out of stock. jeez it was never gone, just the products like stacker and xenadrine were and every one makes to big of a deal of the guaifenesin I know a pretty good deal about supplements, including herbs, I'm not making a "big deal" out of it. Honestly, have you taken eph with and without guaf?

tryfuhl I know a pretty good deal about supplements, including herbs, I'm not making a "big deal" out of it. Honestly, have you taken eph with and without guaf? yes i didnt notice a difference at all. i the one from 1fast has worked just fine for me

gsteclipse97 yes i didnt notice a difference at all. i the one from 1fast has worked just fine for me Sounds good; but this opens up the door (if all goes through) for more cheap premixes with stuff liek caffeine, etc already thrown in with it...

again that is

tryfuhl Sounds good; but this opens up the door (if all goes through) for more cheap premixes with stuff liek caffeine, etc already thrown in with it... true, but after i never liked xenadrine etc compared to my own stack. xenadrine made me feel like shit and my heart was gonna explode

tryfuhl you on the other hand, have been miss me?

gsteclipse97 true, but after i never liked xenadrine etc compared to my own stack. xenadrine made me feel like shit and my heart was gonna explode we could get good home-mixes from 1fast or something tho, if they choose to do one...

Judge strikes down FDA ban on ephedra!!!1

Retards who buy NO supplements.

Retards who buy NO supplements.

Firstly I hope nobody on this forum buys NO products... But I hate it when I see idiots posting on other places asking for the best NO product, spending like 100$+ on them when they do nothing.

I don't buy any supplements....

Yeah we all know that it's impossible to make gains without supplements

Peal I don't buy any supplements.... retard! :sarcasm:

Peal I don't buy any supplements.... typical response from teh alpha male wannabe. wanna come eat red eat w/ me?

brolli typical response from teh alpha male wannabe. wanna come eat red eat w/ me? Or someone responding to someone who takes what other people do w/ their lives a little too seriously...

what the hell is a no product

NO-Xplode, not "no supplements"

well thread starter is a douche either way

brolli typical response from teh alpha male wannabe. wanna come eat red eat w/ me? man what the fuck is wrong with you?

wtf

Ilyusha NO-Xplode, not "no supplements" exactly

NO-Xplode is an expensive product that gives people "energy", can be done with caffeine pills.

No.

brolli NO-Xplode is an expensive product that gives people "energy", can be done with caffeine pills. Yes, arginine and citrulline are the base of every energy supplement, and there is no caffeine in no-xplode, yep... okay

im confused

caffeine reverses the effest of NO products...and brolli, dont hate just cuz NO products havnt worked for you...

brolli NO-Xplode is an expensive product that gives people "energy", can be done with caffeine pills. Not really. They both increase blood flow, but via two totally different mechanisms. NO supps dilate blood vesseles (lowers blood pressure) and decrease their resistance which increases blood flow , while products liek caffeine and ephedrine increase blood flow by jacking up heart reate and constricting blood vessles (raises blood pressure)

Peal I don't buy any supplements.... i dont buy any supplements at all either.

you are all things non-broly ban!

brolli they do nothing. Confirmation: You're a certified idiot.

NoXeN you are all things non-broly ban! in!

pt Confirmation: You're a certified idiot. hi pot, its the kettle, your black j/k

wtf is going on in here

The first posts disturbes me.

Retards who buy NO supplements.

I feel like a spicy tuna roll for lunch today

I feel like a spicy tuna roll for lunch today

but I dont know if that will fill my fat ass up.

sushi styles? you should eat that expensive shit, its so good. except rock a salmon roll.

ryazbeck sushi styles? you should eat that expensive shit, its so good. except rock a salmon roll. Whats rock a salmon roll?

well if you're talking about sushi, then a salmon roll is the same as a tuna roll but with salmon...

ryazbeck well if you're talking about sushi, then a salmon roll is the same as a tuna roll but with salmon... Is that shit spicy though?

i think you can get them spicy. put some motha fuckin wasabi on that bitch and it'll be spicy

killerZees but I dont know if that will fill my fat ass up. For me, usually it takes tons of sushi (= $$$$$$$) to get full

I feel like a spicy tuna roll for lunch today

For those who do overhead shrugs....

For those who do overhead shrugs....

How much weight do you use? Just curious....

95-135 for sets of 20

Sounds dangerous.

timberwolf How much weight do you use? Just curious.... If your shoulder is hurting then this is a movement I would advise against.

i did them once, and Mr. Rotator Cuff was like " what the hell you doin crazy ass cracka! "

christophers i have never had any rotator issues thx benching properly and not much overhead pressing damn you christophers, damn you to hell...

christophers and no its not cuz of gear, since this gym doesnt use gear often at all. ive never seen a bottle of test squat a grand.

Jeg1983 95-135 for sets of 20 .

Dangerous, unneeded, easily replaced exercise < *

ive been using DBs, 45 lbs each

SteveO ive been using DBs, 45 lbs each Arms locked or not? I assume its limited range of motion?

cbrpimp hold barbell with weight on it above head, and shrug. bloody hell

timberwolf Arms locked or not? I assume its limited range of motion? I lock my arms Yea you don't have a large ROM when doing these

timberwolf Arms locked or not? I assume its limited range of motion? not locked, slight bend

sounds scary, i've never even thought of doing shrugs with weight above you. why would you?

My rotator cuffs punch me in the face when I try it. I've had rotator cuff issues since before I started lifting

overhead shrugs scare me

overhead squats scare me more

Mass ive never seen a bottle of test squat a grand. wrong gear dummy

I usually do a few sets of 20 with 95lbs or so to get warmed up before moving on to DB/BB shrugs.

why in the world would anyone do that? unless youre looking to get injured.

Patrick Bateman why in the world would anyone do that? unless youre looking to get injured. some people want to get big.

I do 25lbs each side of a barbell for 20 reps. I don't lock my arms or else it's too awkward to shrug but pretty close. i love these because they don't kill my hands like normal shrugs

christophers i know i feel bad, but nobody listens to me. we have tons of injuries at my gym. but the one thing we dont have much of is rotator issues, and weh ave 600+ raw benchers. and no its not cuz of gear, since this gym doesnt use gear often at all. its cuz we dont bench with elbows out and we dont overhead press very often. most overhead press once every 2-4 weeks. wait a second...overhead pressed every 2 - 4 weeks? How the hell are you supposed to get big doing that?

christophers since when are overhead presses a requirement to get big gutrat? i know of quite a few pro bodybuilders who do 0 overhead pressing. theres 300+ men at my gym who bench 700+ who do 0 overhead pressing. theres many movements that will give shoulder hypertrophy w/o the neccesary risks of overhead pressing. i know, i know, i know. you guys all know someone who has been overhead pressing for 20 years with no problems. and for that one person i know 15+ who have shoulder issues because of tons of overhead work and elbows out benching. please tell me you meant 30 people or I'm gonna cry and move to cali and go to your gym

For those who do overhead shrugs....

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Bigger quads.

spring breaker

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Conventional vs Sumo?

Conventional vs Sumo?

Should I be doing both or just stick with one?

powerlifting

so no advantages in switching around now and again?

i cant do conventional, my arms are too short or something

i think sumo is saposed to better mechanically, but it takes alot of practice to get the form down and such. I can pull prettty much the same with both.

thanks man, conventional is a cluster fuck for me at the moment. my gangly legs are all up in there like spaghetti.

I don't know. I'm 6'1, should conventional be easier? It seems like I can lift more with sumo. And it tires out a different part of my back -- am I crazy?

how close is everyone's legs on conventional? My feet are about 6 inches apart, and my arms are right outside my legs.

I put my feet a little less than shoulder width I dont know if I am doing them right or wrong though. I really regret joining the gym I did. And I am just doing conventional as i dont know how to do Sumo at all.

christophers take recorsd on both i pull conv, but i do sumo's for max effort day a lot but i always do speed deads with conv what bodily aspects would be more advantageous for a sumo lift? eg. is it generally suited better to tall guys?

I switch up. I still do some form of deadlift almost every squat/dead day, so to keep from getting stale I do all kinds of variations.

I usually do conventional when training but I've always been able to pull more with sumo.

On DL's I do conv. Seem to be able to get more drive that way, even if I have to pull it higher. On squats I do sumo because it feels more stable and easier on my knees

I have only done conventional.

i squat both and pull sumo right now my conv squat is higher than my wide stance which i am trying to change

I love it.

ajahhahaha wtf bend me over and call me alfred

christophers this is what i think about sumo http://www.playingisforpleasure.com/...ff_Dancing.avi i share the same view as jeff ace of base playing in the background

christophers hes stronger than you, maybe hes onto something http://www.playingisforpleasure.com/...d_12_Hours.avi Apparently not, cuz I listen to that sometimes too

christophers http://www.playingisforpleasure.com/...fe_Is_Hard.avi That guy seems hilarious, and the garage gym looks pretty awesome

my football coaches always taught us to do sumo, so thats how i've been doin it since. today i tried conventional for the first time, and i absolutely loved it, much better than sumo.

I SLDL

I've done conventional when I first started and saw great gains when I switched to sumo, my weight lowered a bit, but it shot back up in no time. I think sumo helps prevent people from cheating. Now, I can do the same, if not more, with sumo than with conventional

Conventional vs Sumo?

olympic lifting and the vertical jump

olympic lifting and the vertical jump

id say its a direct correlation...if u can snatch 170kg @ 85kg bodyweight... dont know if u can see this if u can o well lol http://www.gym.com/forum/index.php?a...ype=post&id=15

reminds me of Street Fighter with GameGenie

holy shit.

unfortunately, hes only 4'9, so he has no real use in bball...

spudd web in 86 nba dunk contest..360.... and no pyrros aint 4'9"

Itsa me, luigi.

more:http://www.gym.com/forum/index.php?a...ype=post&id=17 can anyone name this guy:http://www.gym.com/forum/index.php?a...ype=post&id=16

it looks like he dropped the weight and the floor sprung back, launching him into the air

lol

fuck are those guys lifting on bouncy floor or some shit. those jumps look unreal.

synthetic is just another troll, he was in ceazes vids thread and here he goes again.

kinda ot but where can I buy those flat oly shoes they are wearing? always wanted to try some of those.

olympic lifting and the vertical jump