Official: New Years 2005 Challenge! Come on in and register!

Official: New Years 2005 Challenge! Come on in and register!

I guess I'll be organizing this new challenge.. I suppose it should go for a few months (I'm guessing 12-16 weeks), I'll settle that within the first few posts and edit this. Anywho, I want your Username/Real Name/Height/Weight/Big 3 (Squat, DL, Bench)/and a frontal picture and a picture of your back. I will put together an Excel spreadsheet and post it on my site: http://www.countinginfinity.net Post your picture here or mail it to me with "OT Fitness Challenge" in the subject, along with your username and stats and I will put them on the page for easy hosting, so there arent any by the time this challenge is over. When the allotted time has expired, I will post all of the pictures/stats (both old and new) on my site along with a poll; we will vote for who has improved the most, both in strength gains and in size gains. The winner in each category will receive a tub of whatever protein mix or supplement/item they want <$35 from me (they can choose it from 1fast400 or bodybuilding.com, just email me your address if you happen to be the winner). Well, get eating..get lifting. Good luck! Also, I'm eligible since it's a public vote EDIT: Once you've submitted all the stats/pics/etc to me, go ahead and repost it here so everyone knows what they're up against! EDIT 2: Start and Ending Dates. The official start date begins ONE WEEK FROM TODAY, January 10th, 2005. You may edit your posts and emails between now and then, but after that deadline, you're done. The competition will last Until April the 10th, unless a majority of people have a problem with a 3 month challenge. You will be INELIGIBLE if you do not email me your stats, along with posting them here. I repeat: if i dont have them, you're not in! The Spreadsheet will be updated DAILY on my site. EDIT 3: Pictures/Poses actually, you can pose however you want, but that's the pose you will need to do again for comparisons. i.e. Lat spread now, lat spread then. You can submit up to 2 pictures. Let the games begin. (well, on the 10th ) All of this is subject to change until the 10th when EVERYTHING becomes final. SEND ALL EMAILS TO mikefear@gmail.com

I'll go first, come on in..the water's warm Height: 6'0 Weight: 147 lbs Bench 1RM: 145 Squat 1RM: 185 Deadlift 1RM: 255 edit: pics now

tize whats poses do you need? teh one in my av and the same of the back actually, you can pose however you want, but that's the pose you will need to do again for comparisons. i.e. Lat spread now, lat spread then. You can submit up to 2 pictures. I will edit this into the main post.

tize what do YOU get if YOU win Height: 5'8 Weight: 177 lbs Bench 1RM: 240 Squat 1RM: 285 Deadlift 1RM: 265 you guys can pool in and get me something

when is the official start date?

I think it should be in a week or two because that is when my lower back should be all better.............

KLoWnPR109 I think it should be in a week or two because that is when my lower back should be all better............. I fucked up my shoulder last night I just rememebered I dont have a camera anymore for a while.

KLoWnPR109 I think it should be in a week or two because that is when my lower back should be all better............. Check Edit 2

sounds good i will go for max's during this week and will post on the weekend

Height: 6'4.5" Weight: 200-205 lbs (I stay within that range consistently now) Bench 1RM: 225 Squat 1RM: 300 Deadlift 1RM: 355

Height: 5'11 Weight: 164 lbs Bench 1RM: 135 Squat 1RM: ??? (will find out) Deadlift 1RM: ??? (will find out)

height: 5-10 weight: 195 bench 1rm: no clue, but not much squat 1rm: same deadlift: same

height: 5'8 weight: 155 bench: 205 squat: 275 deadlift: 375

what's ur email addy

Height: 5'8 Weight: 160 lbs Bench 1RM: 205 Squat 1RM: 225 Deadlift 1RM: 225

I need to take pics, i will tomorrow. I yoyo-ed last time and am hoping that the lack of holidays and related stress will help.

indianghetto69er what's ur email addy check the post.

I'm down, and maybee i'll max this week...

mike check the post. whoops... pics sent

Any fatties entering? Or just people trying to bulk up?

EDIT for pics and info 6'1" 211 lbs on the home scale as of this post. I'm still slowly upping my weight since I don't know what I can't put up. So I guess I'll go by reps. 135x6x2 bench 195x6x3 squat 225x6x2 regular dl Trying to get my form down on everything. I did max 315 on dl a couple weeks ago, with what must have been god awful form. Goals? Less body hair Lose most of my gut I don't know what's realistic goal wise, but... 205x6x2 bench 275x6x2 squat 305x6x2 dl That would be great IMO. 3 months? Only two pics for the contest? I understand if you're hosting them, but how about 1 front, 1 back, 1 legs? Bunch of pics from me... Will use first two for the contest.

SilverJettaGLX Any fatties entering? Or just people trying to bulk up? I'm a fatty, I have Mike's body plus 70 pounds of fat. True story!

SilverJettaGLX Any fatties entering? Or just people trying to bulk up? did you not see my post? 5-10, 195... I wanna actually LOSE 15 pounds in the next 3-4 months.

tize 15lbs is easy if thats your goal drop shit weight, maybe put on some better weight. Id really like to be ~ 175 or so and a heck of alot leaner... I feel like im on my way already... havent had a soda or any fast food in about a week... im off of both... and this has NOTIHNG to do with newyears... I just decided to knock em both out.

93CivicEX drop shit weight, maybe put on some better weight. Id really like to be ~ 175 or so and a heck of alot leaner... I feel like im on my way already... havent had a soda or any fast food in about a week... im off of both... and this has NOTIHNG to do with newyears... I just decided to knock em both out. take it one day at a time, a week is amazing!

Official: New Years 2005 Challenge! Come on in and register!

What are the advantages of clean bulking?

What are the advantages of clean bulking?

I read through a bunch of the noob thread and it doesnt spell it out, but it seems that it helps you gain more LBM weight, and overall gives you better nutrition. Is that about right? What are everyone's experiences clean bulking vs. dirty bulking? Sorry if this is a repost, I can't search.

Clean bulk = Less work when cutting.

I know what they are, I'd like to know what the relative advantages/disadvantages are of each.

why would progress be slowero n clean foods? doesn't it just boil down to # of cals?

A lot of people think it doesn't make a difference. How much of the excess weight goes to lean body mass and how much goes to fat is mostly determined by genetics. 80%. Its your P-ratio.

So basically with dirty bulking you put on more fat and less muscle? Am I interpreting that right?

food is all comprised of the same chemicals, 'clean' foods are not some magical form of chemicals that adds muscle without fat. The greater the carloric surplus the greater the fat gain, but also the greater the muscle gain. Its just going to be easier going far over the caloric maintenance level on 'dirty' foods. If you counted calories on a dirty bulk and a clean bulk and ate the same level of calories, I'm quite confident the fat gains would be relatively unnoticable

Bulking:Dirty Bulk = More Fat, More Muscle, Less Time Clean Bulk = Less Fat, More Muscle, More Time Cutting:Dirty Bulk = Takes Longer to loose the bf, keep more muscle mass Clean Bulk = Less bf to cut, could loose more muscle mass during cutting process than dirty bulk

christophers I agree with wazzle26

clean bulking will result in either really slow/no gains. if you seriously want to put on mass and get stronger, just eat balls to the wall. enjoy yourself too, eat fries and hamburgers and pie and shit. that makes the subsequent cutting a lot easier.

Sweet, I think dirty bulking is the way to go for myself personally. I think I am just going to eat pretty much normally but just add in stuff like chocolate bars, burgers, more pop, pizza. Want to add 10 pounds by July. Edit: I assume you just mean it makes the cutting easier because you'll have only been on strict diet for 6 months instead of 12...I'm hoping it'll make cutting easier because I won't be gaining a bigger appetite, but rather just an addiction to sugar, therefore I'll get cravings but not hunger pains when I cut.

Clean bulking is a slow process no doubt...I believe its for people who have already achieved some sort of serious muscle mass though. I think most kids in here need to eat clean 3-4 days and pig out the rest. Kind of a 50 50 mix. EVeryones afraid of getting fat...well to get to were i am I got huge/strong bloated and fat. Then cut it all off with hardcore diets. You do this over a few times and you come back leaner/denser and better everytime at the same offseason weight. Thats how I get to 260 and still stay 12%ish nowadays. disclaimer... Pl'ers are exempt as usual

PurEvl Clean bulking is a slow process no doubt...I believe its for people who have already achieved some sort of serious muscle mass though. I think most kids in here need to eat clean 3-4 days and pig out the rest. Kind of a 50 50 mix. EVeryones afraid of getting fat...well to get to were i am I got huge/strong bloated and fat. Then cut it all off with hardcore diets. You do this over a few times and you come back leaner/denser and better everytime at the same offseason weight. Thats how I get to 260 and still stay 12%ish nowadays. disclaimer... Pl'ers are exempt as usual nah pl'ers aren't exempt, I plan on going hard until I hit around 230lb, then cut down and maintain strength.

So....what do you guys recommend us newbies do for bulking? Clean or dirty?

I like diry bulking

dirty bulking just sounds more fun

did you guys find you got a lot of stretch marks during your bulking phases?

Rebs clean bulk = looking skinny all the time.. fixed

and i agree with Pur, i think the clean bulking route is for people who are already fairly big and just want to maintain their lean physique while adding muscle and strength slowly. but for the vast majority of people here, i think "dirty" bulking is the way to go and it's not as if you eat nothing but saturated fat...i still ate oatmeal all the time, plenty of omega3's etc.

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I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings.

dexterium I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings. are you shitting me?

dexterium I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings. Sugar to every meal and no fruits...let me know how that works out.

good point.

christophers ya, its up to you. however the person who gains mroe muscle/fat will pretty much always be the one to progress faster, especially if he lose fat fast ala werdna or the kid in our gym. also due to: more weight gain -> more strength -> more strength = more microtrauma = more muscle again, its individual.. but most people simply cannot think long term. its all short term. thats the biggest fault i see daily. shit I think my bodyfat varies with what I've eaten in the last 2 hours. no joke.

What are the advantages of clean bulking?

Bondage Pull-ups

Bondage Pull-ups

Hot!

I'd hit it.

That's prolly her brother in the background too... ready to kick your ass...

very hot.

Damn!!!!!!!!

got some BIG OL TITTIES!

nice waist and tittays, but blasphemous use of bands

Nice

tryfuhl I'd hit it. dot

oh holy good lord i would hit it many times

she will be my new cardio machine

IBitschris'ssister

holy smokes she's hot every girl should strive to look like her.

daaaaaaaaaaaamn bitch!!! i'd rape her.

vettedude IBitschris'ssister lol I thought the same thing.

aenz she will be my new cardio machine .

Damn, you guys must really love fake titties.

Ilyusha Damn, you guys must really love fake titties. yep

chin-ups are wimpy. she should be doing pullups - especially if she's using a band

vettedude IBitschris'ssister naw, this one is hotter, probably a 1st or 2nd cousin

I would drink her bathwater.

Wow

5.10-Crux chin-ups are wimpy. she should be doing pullups - especially if she's using a band I thought chin-ups were a wide, overgrip and pull-ups were a close, undergrip...

Mugwump I thought chin-ups were a wide, overgrip and pull-ups were a close, undergrip... yeah those are pullups

redx

Bondage Pull-ups

Kinda a cheat meal?

Kinda a cheat meal?

so today was delt's and traps and legs day. i always do a good amount of shoulder work because its one of my fav part of the body to target. so after the gym i cook a pepperoni pizza. 28g of carbs and 16g of protein per 1/4 pizza...thats not too bad imo

Sh0kka so today was delt's and traps and legs day. i always do a good amount of shoulder work because its one of my fav part of the body to target. so after the gym i cook a pepperoni pizza. 28g of carbs and 16g of protein per 1/4 pizza...thats not too bad imo that must've been a very small pizza.

no it was same size as tonys xxl

It's all about how it fits into the bigger picture.. you are cutting I assume. If you are still maintaining a deficit and a reasonable portion of your intake is protein then it doesnt really matter, does it.

You don't want fat post workout, unless its some sort of mystical nonfat pizza...

oh well, you cheated a bit, move on. Look at the bigger picture.

Kinda a cheat meal?

Allergic to whey...

Allergic to whey...

What should I take as far as powder? I've been taking soy, but now I'm ready all this stuff on how it could be bad for you. And I don't really want to take the risk. Is there another option besides whey and soy as far as protien powder goes? Thanks

Egg protein http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=450

How is it comparable to whey? Thanks for the quick answer by the way.

Welcome. Complete amino acid profile (contains essential aa's) and IIRC is digested pretty fast though I'm not sure if as fast as whey. Are you lactose intollerant or did you get tested to confirm you're allergic to whey?

I'm not lactose intollerant, but I was really allergic to milk when I was a kid, I can drink a glass of milk now and I won't feel too crappy, but I don't do it anyways. But every time I eat something with lots of whey in it, or try a whey protein shake I get a really bad allergic reaction.. It really sucks. But anyways I'm gunna trash my soy and go pick up some egg protein to try out.

FlameBox I'm not lactose intollerant, but I was really allergic to milk when I was a kid, I can drink a glass of milk now and I won't feel too crappy, but I don't do it anyways. But every time I eat something with lots of whey in it, or try a whey protein shake I get a really bad allergic reaction.. It really sucks. But anyways I'm gunna trash my soy and go pick up some egg protein to try out. I'm lactose intollerant actually. I had to experiment with which protein powders I could handle. Funny thing is Musclemilk I can take though not totally immune to it.

I like egg protein. It's just as tasty.

I picked up some 100% egg protien yesterday at Vitamin Shoppe, it's great! 22g/3/4 scoop, gunna probably do 3 scoops per day. It tastes awesome, just like chocolate milk, but with water. Thanks for the help guys.

i've tried rice protein before (sample pack) it wasnt bad and mixed really well and not thick tasting either.

Allergic to whey...

what is this?

what is this?

Its very annoying when wearing shirts, seems like pec overlaps? Anyone know what this is?

its not a toomah

Welcome to my world man. I have them worse than anyone I know. I would go out in public without a shirt on if it wasn't for them. I tuck them behind muscle shirts though =D ---- there is me 20 pounds heavier (big woman titties ) ---- looking down towards my boobs they give them more of a pointy look.

it seems to be only the one side and my lat or shoulder blade seems messed up also so it feels uncomfortable for my arm

talongod it seems to be only the one side and my lat or shoulder blade seems messed up also so it feels uncomfortable for my arm I'm cursed with both sides When I asked a guy at the game who was in great shape, he said other than fat loss, work on dumbell fly's a lot.

actually that was an older pic its my other side that bothers me more

what is this?

Arnold Pic

Arnold Pic

repost x11tyhundredbillion

we ARE going to look like that eventually like it or not

trancezj repost x11tyhundredbillion sorry.

took ya long enough to repost that from the main forum

christophers who cares. hes old and still the man. seriously

i see cuts still. arnold>*

Anyone have a date on that photo? Is it before or after he got in shape for T3?

Oh God! I thought the flatness look was a myth! But who gives a shit what you look like when you're like 65?

after shoulder surgery but before t3 I heard

Socrates Oh God! I thought the flatness look was a myth! But who gives a shit what you look like when you're like 65? He's 57, 58 in July.

7th Ninjai He's 57, 58 in July. Eh, still not too bad. I hear the sex isn't too great at 57.

fuck his age. he still warms up with more than my 1RM

7th Ninjai Anyone have a date on that photo? Is it before or after he got in shape for T3? That photo is from this weekend I guess. http://www.thisislondon.com/showbiz/...e=Daily%20Mail

tofu That photo is from this weekend I guess. http://www.thisislondon.com/showbiz/...e=Daily%20Mail He let all the work for T3 go?

Oh noes! People get old and don't look as good as they did when they were young!

Ilyusha Oh noes! People get old and don't look as good as they did when they were young! He looked great 2 years ago in T3. Being a politician has owned his body

Ilyusha Oh noes! People get old and don't look as good as they did when they were young! are you serious ? I met this one guy at my old gym, He was in his 60's and had a body of someone in their 30's. The guy was big and shredded too. I guess he has been working out for like 37 years.

7th Ninjai He looked great 2 years ago in T3. Being a politician has owned his body I heard they used a latex body cover for his upper body in T3, so that he would look bigger and more cut than his real body.

Ilyusha I heard they used a latex body cover for his upper body in T3, so that he would look bigger and more cut than his real body. I read the opposite. A lot of people were guessing it was CGI, I read a quote from Arnold when the film came out that it was totally him.

this picture is bullshit and old...

Serge Nubret in his late 60's was stil guest posing. I couldn't find the pic I saw but he still looked pretty good. Arnold just has different priorites now. His appearrance has less to do with his age and more with his current commitments.

timberwolf Serge Nubret in his late 60's was stil guest posing. I couldn't find the pic I saw but he still looked pretty good. Arnold just has different priorites now. His appearrance has less to do with his age and more with his current commitments. dude has done more than 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999x11y % of people will ever do. Imagine moving to a new country, becoming a super star and then governing one of their largest states.

timberwolf Serge Nubret in his late 60's was stil guest posing. I couldn't find the pic I saw but he still looked pretty good. Arnold just has different priorites now. His appearrance has less to do with his age and more with his current commitments.

gsxtasyd this picture is bullshit and old... The one on the beach is old. I read that was taken a year after his heart surgery. This pic seems legit.

Arnold Pic