so i'm talking to my buddy, who is pretty big/cut, about the ECY...

so i'm talking to my buddy, who is pretty big/cut, about the ECY...

and he mentions that he's taken some pretty serious stimulants... then he goes back into the kitchen, comes back and tosses this little bottle to me. CLENBUTEROL for scientific research only not for human consumption it was still half full

i know a little about this stuff, and have read some experiences with it. anybody done this before? he said its the most foul tasting shit known to man.



No...no lock, i'm interested. Don't they give that to live stock to make them bigger?

im not going to do it or anything, i just thought we could have some discussion on the topic... the ECY is kicking my ass hard enough.

You can barely taste it seeing as to how you only take like a half a ml at a time. Check the archives, I believe there's a thread about clen in there. EDIT: here it is http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=963745

dank im not going to do it or anything, i just thought we could have some discussion on the topic... the ECY is kicking my ass hard enough. good good

GilgaMesH You can barely taste it seeing as to how you only take like a half a ml at a time. Check the archives, I believe there's a thread about clen in there. EDIT: here it is http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=963745 i think he might have been taking more. he said he would mix it in a huge container with whatever, and he could still taste it. he used it to gain lean muscle mass without fat. he said he put on about 5 lbs of lean muscle with about 2lbs of fat in 4 weeks. he was using prohormones at the time too.

please refrain from using that shit...for your own good unless you've read up on it and know exactly everything there is to know about it and more so, how to use it properly many think that you can use it in ketosis

Filmboy44 please refrain from using that shit...for your own good unless you've read up on it and know exactly everything there is to know about it and more so, how to use it properly many think that you can use it in ketosis listen to filmy.

Filmboy44 please refrain from using that shit...for your own good unless you've read up on it and know exactly everything there is to know about it and more so, how to use it properly many think that you can use it in ketosis dank im not going to do it or anything, i just thought we could have some discussion on the topic... the ECY is kicking my ass hard enough. anyone know where i can get some DNP?

dank anyone know where i can get some DNP? http://www.tpg.com/downloads/images/building.jpg

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chadhova What's so bad about clenbuterol? nothing, if used correctly

Gutrat No...no lock, i'm interested. Don't they give that to live stock to make them bigger? You only give it to cows if they want to see their six pack, or their sex muscles.

chadhova What's so bad about clenbuterol? well theres the danger of using too much... and apparently the side effects can be a little intense. it raises your body temperature 2-3 degrees, gets the heart going pretty fast... you sweat a lot, possible insomnia, nausea, nerviousness. stuff like that.

dank well theres the danger of using too much... and apparently the side effects can be a little intense. it raises your body temperature 2-3 degrees, gets the heart going pretty fast... you sweat a lot, possible insomnia, nausea, nerviousness. stuff like that. just to name a few.... I've used it...personally and had never experienced any harsh sides *knock on wood* however you have to build your tolerance to it slowly. I, the first time using it took 1.25 in stead of .20

dank well theres the danger of using too much... and apparently the side effects can be a little intense. it raises your body temperature 2-3 degrees, gets the heart going pretty fast... you sweat a lot, possible insomnia, nausea, nerviousness. stuff like that. Personally clens sides were much less harsh than ECY to me.

sprite You only give it to cows if they want to see their sex muscles. I laughed.

GilgaMesH Personally clens sides were much less harsh than ECY to me. depending on your bodyweight, that will determine your dosage. Where you taking the recommended amount?

GilgaMesH Personally clens sides were much less harsh than ECY to me. reeeeeallly...

Filmboy44 depending on your bodyweight, that will determine your dosage. Where you taking the recommended amount? I was about 215 and pyramided up from about 40mg to 120.

sprite You only give it to cows if they want to see their six pack, or their sex muscles. Clenbuterol and Livestock You may have read recently about Clenbuterol being used illegally in livestock. This drug is not approved for use in the United States. But, if it is used, it may cause problems for people consuming meat of the animal if residues remain at the time of slaughter. It is also a very good repartitioning agent which of course improves lean tissue deposition. More of the animal's weight gain becomes muscle instead of fat. This is the area that has received the most attention. Adverse effects in people consuming products with high levels of residue or inhalation of products may be increased heart rate (tachycardia), heart palpitations (cardiac fibrillation), muscle tremors and increased blood pressure. Residues may be found in the liver even at 1ppb. The ocular fluid of the eyeball is now considered to be the tissue of choice to find residues as this fluid will store this drug for an extremely long time. (KP) Source: Jerry Stokka, Extension Veterinarian, Department of Animal Sciences and Industry, Kansas State University. from http://www.clenbuterol.com/livestock.htm

so i'm talking to my buddy, who is pretty big/cut, about the ECY...

Critique my workout plz

Critique my workout plz

Mondays-Biceps/Legs alternating curls 4x10 preacher curls 4x10 hammer curls 4x10 squats 3x10 leg press 3x10 stiff-legged dead lifts 3x10 (we're REALLY weak on legs, once they get built up more, we'll be doing 4 sets 10 times) Wednesdays-Triceps/back Tricep pushdowns 4x10 reverse pushdowns (same thing but pulling down with my hands facing up) skullcrushers 4x10 overhead extensions Tate press Decline bench 4x10 Lat pull-downs 4x10 Seated rows 4x10 Deadlifts 3x10 T-bar rows 4x10 Friday-Chest/Shoulders Flat bench DB press 4x10 Incline bench 4x10 Deltoid Flys 4x10 Shoulder press 4x10 Shrugs 4x10 I increase weight after each set. Am I pretty much covering everything adequately? I know I need to start doing cardio really bad....

It would help if you said how many sets and reps you are doing of each exercise. I can see a few flaws, such as having more bicep work than tricep work, and only having one true shoulder movement.

How about you work legs before bi's and back before tri's...

Natezilla How about you work legs before bi's and back before tri's... Does it matter? We usually do a bicep/tricep workout then a leg/back workout and go back and forth. Is it better to do all the workouts for say...legs together?

TQ Does it matter? We usually do a bicep/tricep workout then a leg/back workout and go back and forth. Is it better to do all the workouts for say...legs together? Big muscles first, small muscles last.

Ilyusha It would help if you said how many sets and reps you are doing of each exercise. I can see a few flaws, such as having more bicep work than tricep work, and only having one true shoulder movement. Thats weird. My triceps are f-ing huge compared to my biceps. The guy I go to the gym with lifts the same as me on biceps but 30lbs less on triceps. What other should movements can I do?

TQ Does it matter? We usually do a bicep/tricep workout then a leg/back workout and go back and forth. Is it better to do all the workouts for say...legs together? I don't understand any of that.

Ilyusha Big muscles first, small muscles last. So I should do all my leg work first AND together? right?

TQ Thats weird. My triceps are f-ing huge compared to my biceps. The guy I go to the gym with lifts the same as me on biceps but 30lbs less on triceps. What other should movements can I do? Tate press, close grip bench, skullcrushers, rope pushdowns, overhead extensions, etc.

TQ So I should do all my leg work first AND together? right? Not necessarily. Before doing my current 4 day split, I was doing: M: Chest/Tris W: Back/Bis F: Legs/Shoulders Listed in order of body part done.

Natezilla I don't understand any of that. ok.... I do one leg workout then I do one bicep workout then I do another leg workout then another for biceps.... get it?

Ilyusha Tate press, close grip bench, skullcrushers, rope pushdowns, overhead extensions, etc. shit, i forgot about overhead extensions.... I already do skullcrushers and pushdowns...as well as reverse pushdowns

TQ shit, i forgot about overhead extensions.... I already do skullcrushers and pushdowns...as well as reverse pushdowns Tate Presses > * x11tybillion It's a trade secret, but I'm letting you in on it..

Ilyusha Tate Presses > * x11tybillion It's a trade secret, but I'm letting you in on it.. unfortunately I have no clue what tate presses are. edit: i figured it out through google

TQ unfortunately I have no clue what tate presses are. http://www.weighttrainersunited.com/tatetri.html

so generally speaking....am I getting a good balanced workout? my gym buddy seems to think we don't do chest/arms often enough

Ilyusha http://www.weighttrainersunited.com/tatetri.html wow those look good i just added them to my routine

TQ so generally speaking....am I getting a good balanced workout? my gym buddy seems to think we don't do chest/arms often enough nah i'd say yur chest/bi has enough volume... but then again im a noob broly

sr20wop wow those look good i just added them to my routine Just watch the weight you start with.. they are surprisingly difficult.

anything else I should add?

Ok just for reference....why exactly do I need to work the bigger muscles first?

bump

TQ bump ummmm... big > small

sr20wop ummmm... big > small well is my routine adequate or what? I wouldn't bump my thread if my questions were answered

TQ Mondays-Biceps/Legs alternating curls 4x10 preacher curls 4x10 loose one of these hammer curls 4x10 squats 3x10 leg press 3x10 stiff-legged dead lifts 3x10 (we're REALLY weak on legs, once they get built up more, we'll be doing 4 sets 10 times) Go heavier, a few more sets, less reps Wednesdays-Triceps/back Tricep pushdowns 4x10 reverse pushdowns (same thing but pulling down with my hands facing up) skullcrushers 4x10 board press, lockouts, and CG bench/ maybee decline would be good here too overhead extensions Tate press Lat pull-downs 4x10 Seated rows 4x10 BB/DB rows would be another good exercise, along with hypers Deadlifts 3x10 Friday-Chest/Shoulders Flat bench DB press 4x10 Incline bench 4x10 Decline bench 4x10 maybee better on tricep day Shoulder press 4x10 Shrugs 4x10 I increase weight after each set. Am I pretty much covering everything adequately? I know I need to start doing cardio really bad.... if u are bulking u dont have to do cardio, although it is not a bad idea, be sure to eat mroe. I would change the reps up some, and ad abs, u do not have one ab exerciser there. change ur shit up to something like this legs/shoulders Chest/tris back/bis and start with movements liek Squat Deadlift, Benchpress Compund>>> accesory

Critique my workout plz

Sup F&N

Sup F&N

Quick question, since im starting to calorie count I notice all my vegtables have like an assload of sodium in them. Is there anything wrong with getting that much sodium? I was thinking about just eating veggies for lunch other than a can of Tuna but I dont know how all the sodium would affect me. Also it seems like my tuna has alot of fat in it compared to the protein. Like there is 13 g of protein per serving of tuna. 2.5 servings in a can, but there is also like 8 g of fat. WTF is this normal or do I need to buy higher quality tuna?

Are these vegetables canned? The fat content in the tuna is very high. What kind do you have?

Yes they veggies are canned, and the Tuna is a generic brand called " Chunk light tuna " I fail to see anything light about it.

mehh, i woukld not stress over the sodium unless u have heart problems or somethuing..

vettedude mehh, i woukld not stress over the sodium unless u have heart problems or somethuing.. Im fat that is a heart problem no? LOL

Silver85327 Im fat that is a heart problem no? LOL how fat? i would not get too anal about it, chances are ur sodium intake eating this will be less than otherwise.

vettedude how fat? i would not get too anal about it, chances are ur sodium intake eating this will be less than otherwise. 6ft 285 im going to take pics so I can see a differance one of these days as soon as I find batteries for my camera.

i had tuna earlier..it had a total of 2.5 g of fat in the whole can...with about 33 g of protein i thikn you got some messed up tuna

its ok, i started out at 284 and i eat a lot of tuna and canned vegetables, ive lost around 60lbs so far

eliktronix its ok, i started out at 284 and i eat a lot of tuna and canned vegetables, ive lost around 60lbs so far how long you been doing it? What does your work out routine look like?

Silver85327 how long you been doing it? What does your work out routine look like? since october/04 , my routine mostly consists of intense cardio with weight training 5 days a week on average. i actually follow real closely to 'christophers' sticky regarding fat loss

nic379 i had tuna earlier..it had a total of 2.5 g of fat in the whole can...with about 33 g of protein i thikn you got some messed up tuna i'm with her, there isn't much fat in tuna...

I need to correct myself. The tuna is hill country fair chunk light tuna. serving size 2 oz drained. calories 110 fat cal 50 total fat 6 g sat fat 1 g cholesterol 30 g sodium 250 mg total carb 0 protein 13 g

eliktronix since october/04 , my routine mostly consists of intense cardio with weight training 5 days a week on average. i actually follow real closely to 'christophers' sticky regarding fat loss Nice thats the routine I hope to follow. any idea on your BF %?

cbrpimp and they call that LIGHT tuna!! Switch to the bumblebee i listed above so am I correct in assuming I should throw the 12 ish cans I have of this crap left away and buy something else?

Silver85327 so am I correct in assuming I should throw the 12 ish cans I have of this crap left away and buy something else? You can still eat it, it's not poisonous or anything. I'd recommend eating that and just getting better stuff next time.

Davo You can still eat it, it's not poisonous or anything. I'd recommend eating that and just getting better stuff next time. I think im going to feed it to my dog She likes tuna and im sure all the fat will help her coat.

you got the can with the dolphins in it

8g of fat in that tuna? did you get tuna in oil? you should get tuna in water. oh and, fresh veggies, not canned.

Sup F&N

So I need gain weight v.adviceforskinnybastage

So I need gain weight v.adviceforskinnybastage

First off, don't laugh guys Now honestly, I'm not too worried about bulking strictly muscularly, because I'm just really that goddamn skinny, but I would obviously prefer muscle over fat. I calculated it through stuff in the archives, and I need to eat roughly ~3000-3200 calories per day to maintain, and let me reiterate that I'm pretty skinny and I eat only 3 meals per day right now, which is a light breakfast before school (cause I'm always running late - ~200 calories max), a cafeteria lunch (I have no clue, maybe ~500-600 calories?), and finally a semi decent meal for dinner which would probably max at about 900 calories. So on a typical day, as you can see, I'm hitting about 2000-2500ish calories (including snacks and stuff). I know that's probably nothing compared to you guys Oh and also I need to point out that I don't have a workout routine right now, but I'm going to be starting that soon (more on that below). Here's where my questions/concerns come in. What kind of meals/etc can I make for myself that have high caloric content? I don't have very much time in the mornings, and even if I boil/fry myself some eggs that's still like 200ish calories yeah? As far as the cafeteria lunch, I don't have much of a choice there because of my meal plan/money constraints. Dinner, yeah. So by typing this out I've kind of answered my own question that I just need to eat more in between meals, which is going to be hard because it's hard for me to get myself to eat when I'm not hungry. Any suggestions there? I guess it's just a mental thing. Now this is going to seem dumb to you guys, but that's kind of my point, I want you guys to point out the flaw in my thinking here Since my main goal is to just gain weight, I'm hesitant to have a regular workout routine because that'll just be burning calories that I'm desperately trying to eat. Plus doesn't working out boost your metabolism? Mine's plenty fast right now Right now I was planning on trying to gain weight as fast as possible, and then work out to tone up/bulk up... is that stupid? As you guys can see I'm a pretty big noob, but I've been through the archives some and I'm still trying to figure out how I'm gonna do all this, so I appreciate any and all responses

newb thread/archives edit and since u have a subs, search for bulking foods, stuff like that

Height/weight/pics?

Ilyusha Height/weight/pics? 5'7" 115 maybe 120 I haven't weighed myself in a bit I don't have pics cause I'm self conscious

CaseLogic 5'7" 115 maybe 120 I haven't weighed myself in a bit I don't have pics cause I'm self conscious Eat until you vomit.

Ilyusha Eat until you vomit. That sentence implies you stop eating after you vomit. Not so. Swallow down your vomit and continue eating (Yes, I'm serious.)

KetchupKing That sentence implies you stop eating after you vomit. Not so. Swallow down your vomit and continue eating (Yes, I'm serious.) What was I thinking..

Wow I'm so excited about doing this

You're not going to lift?.. Have fun being as skinny as you are right now, with a massive gut. It's gonna look extremely funny.

Phlab You're not going to lift?.. Have fun being as skinny as you are right now, with a massive gut. It's gonna look extremely funny. Please leave the thread

CaseLogic Please leave the thread hes right... why do you want to pack mass on so quickly? sports? just eat a ton and lift, you'll be happy you did

NoXeN hes right... why do you want to pack mass on so quickly? sports? just eat a ton and lift, you'll be happy you did He's not 100% right because I asked you guys to tell me what was wrong with my thought process, not to tell me I'm a dipshit/flame me for not working out I was probably gonna be lifting anyways. And I'm not in a particular hurry, I just want to weigh more

CaseLogic He's not 100% right because I asked you guys to tell me what was wrong with my thought process, not to tell me I'm a dipshit for not working out I was probably gonna be lifting anyways. And I'm not in a particular hurry, I just want to weigh more I called you a dipshit? PS, if you want to put on a load of fat (which is exactly what those extra cals will turn into if you don't lift), then go for it. You'll gain "mass", just not any muscle. If you want to improve the way you look, then lift.

Just make sure to get some extra calories on days you lift, problem solved.

Phlab I called you a dipshit? PS, if you want to put on a load of fat (which is exactly what those extra cals will turn into if you don't lift), then go for it. You'll gain "mass", just not any muscle. If you want to improve the way you look, then lift. My point was you didn't have to seem like such an assbag, there are more polite ways of saying things But I appreciate your advice anyways.

Like everyone else said, eating more and not working out will just make you skinny fat. I know this from first hand experience . I like snaking on almonds. They don't fill me up and are pretty calorie dense. A half a cup of almonds has around 300 calories. They should also be easy for you to put in a baggy and bring to school. I also drink shakes for breakfast because I'm not much of a breakfast person. If you mix in the right stuff(oats, flaxseed oil, protein powder) you can get some easy calories.

So I need gain weight v.adviceforskinnybastage

question about ephedrine..

question about ephedrine..

i was looking through the archives and was reading about the yohimbine hcl/ephedrine/caffeine combination and was curious about ephedrine. i'm a college athelete and ephedrine is on the ncaa's banned substance list. how long does ephedrine stay in the body? and when i quit using it (in season) will my body fat loss remain, or will i bounce back to my original bf% (i'll still be dieting/working hard)?

not sure about lifespan, but you won't lose teh gains you made while on ephedrine. As long as your diet doens't go to shit, the fat burned off will stay off. If you have the time and aren't grossly out of shape for your sport, I'd suggest skipping teh ephedrine, just in case. As an athlete, don't you get tested in teh offseason as well, or is that just the pro's?

I believe the half life is only a few hours.

i swam division III and we got tested once, for like physicals and shit. never again for the rest of the season. i'm transfering to a division I school and gonna swim there as well as possibly run track (sprinting). i duno how the drug testing is done there, but here we were told we might randomly be tested... but never were (besides that initial testing)

Not sure about half life either but you will look softer after going off ephedrine...

isnt it hard to find stuff with ephedrine in it these days?

oh... my b... not really up on stuff like that...

question about ephedrine..

stupid question about losing fat..

stupid question about losing fat..

sounds weird and i've been wondering hypothetically lets say you only take protein shakes and your vitamins throughout the day for a while probably really hard to do but you take about lets say 1000 cal worth of shakes and you work out normally and in the morning get like a tbs of peanutbutter to get you going would you lose body fat quicker? and would this be bad for the muscles... i know you are lacking nutrients and its hurting the body in the long run but this is just a hypothetical question.

sounds like a psmf

eh would it work tho?

i know if you do psmf in cycles but the refeed process... like what would you take in?

but seriously any thoughts on this... like i'm about 16 percent bf wondering if i did it how much would i probably cut down (this is in a perfect situation where i have a high metabolism)

www.bodyrecomposition.com Basically, a PSMF is 1.5 g/lb of LBM (not total body weight, just your lean mass), veggies, and fish oil for your essential fats. It's not meant to be long-term without a schedule refeed or some time eating at maintenance in there, but it's not too complicated.

XsLiCk sounds weird and i've been wondering hypothetically lets say you only take protein shakes and your vitamins throughout the day for a while probably really hard to do but you take about lets say 1000 cal worth of shakes and you work out normally and in the morning get like a tbs of peanutbutter to get you going would you lose body fat quicker? and would this be bad for the muscles... i know you are lacking nutrients and its hurting the body in the long run but this is just a hypothetical question. that is a horrible idea. You WILL be hungry all the time, even with EC. You won't learn good eating habits. etc. yes, you will lose fat quicker but it is ONLY because you have a huge caloric deficit. You are much better off doing it with real food for a variety of reasons. About the only workout you can do on a diet like this is maintenance: full-body, 2 sets per muscle, 2-3 times a week. Any more and you're just fucking yourself.

you'll lose a ton of muscle even with all the protein because your glycogen will be so low/non-existant it's why atkins people lose so much weight

I've heard of this diet. Basically flax seed oil and protein shakes and vitamins. It would work really good if you dont mind losing muscle.

Werdna you'll lose a ton of muscle even with all the protein because your glycogen will be so low/non-existant it's why atkins people lose so much weight Muscle and water wieght I think.

stupid question about losing fat..

I am pathetic

I am pathetic

17 almost 18, no job, no liscense, 100% out of shape, 250lbs, 5'11", all fat, tired and burnt out all day, can only do 3 sets of 10 with 70lbs on the bar, that is a struggle... so how many of you think that i need to join a gym?

I

you're about where i started from.. only i was even weaker

Don't get discourage. You complaining is not helping either -- instead, you should do some research ask some questions and set up a routine and better eating habits. We got lots of pros here (Christophers, the most well known, but certainly not the only one), that know alot of stuff.

Lem6687 17 almost 18, no job, no liscense, 100% out of shape, 250lbs, 5'11", all fat, tired and burnt out all day, can only do 3 sets of 10 with 70lbs on the bar, that is a struggle... so how many of you think that i need to join a gym? Just think, if you start now by the time you are 20 you will be completely changed. If you have the dedication, of course.

no just stay the way you are. it will make me look better.

Grouch no just stay the way you are. it will make me look better. ass lol nah man get on a routine and eat healthier... i mean read the newb guide to fat loss... and stick to it... it'll be hard but it depends how determined and motivated you are.

christophers i would pay money to see you ellipticaling it away The girls at the gym already stuff dollar bills down my gym shorts.

superbri007 yea, they are payin you to get the fuck out hey I'm making money ain't I.

I see you killing yourself within 2 years unless you change at least 3 of those things in your life.

Ilyusha I see you killing yourself within 2 years unless you change at least 3 of those things in your life. good motivation

Yah, tahts where I was a year ago only...I was at 300 tho and im 6'1" tall. I was like fuck this shit, and boom 3 months later 100 pounds lighter, few months after that muscle in places I never had visible muscle before, hehe...Now...Im happy/feel great have girlfriend na dhave other friends that are girls =)

Lem6687 17 almost 18, no job, no liscense, 100% out of shape, 250lbs, 5'11", all fat, tired and burnt out all day, can only do 3 sets of 10 with 70lbs on the bar, that is a struggle... so how many of you think that i need to join a gym? Post some pics. I can't really remember what Jonno looked like 18 months ago and those would be like perfect before shots.

^^

Lem6687 17 almost 18, no job, no liscense, 100% out of shape, 250lbs, 5'11", all fat, tired and burnt out all day, can only do 3 sets of 10 with 70lbs on the bar, that is a struggle... so how many of you think that i need to join a gym? Wow dude you're a loser

jonno ^^ jonno pics of how you look now?



lytew8

Did you fill that hoodie, or was it baggy on you?

Ilyusha Did you fill that hoodie, or was it baggy on you? sleeves are obviously baggy.. middle wasnt really tight but not loose either

Looks pretty filled

jonno sleeves are obviously baggy.. middle wasnt really tight but not loose either no you have fucking 500lb woman arms..

White Yah, tahts where I was a year ago only...I was at 300 tho and im 6'1" tall. I was like fuck this shit, and boom 3 months later 100 pounds lighter, few months after that muscle in places I never had visible muscle before, hehe...Now...Im happy/feel great have girlfriend na dhave other friends that are girls =) how in the fuck did you lose 100 lbs in 3 months?

nic379 how in the fuck did you lose 100 lbs in 3 months? I had a friend who did something similar, Starvation and Ephedra were what helped him.

jonno what were you eating? i'm cutting right now. i just had a snack. a small peach and 16oz of ice water. needless to say, i'm still hungry. it looks like a chiggin' wing. yum.

I am pathetic