Friday, November 29, 2013

What are the advantages of clean bulking?

What are the advantages of clean bulking?


I read through a bunch of the noob thread and it doesnt spell it out, but it seems that it helps you gain more LBM weight, and overall gives you better nutrition. Is that about right? What are everyone's experiences clean bulking vs. dirty bulking? Sorry if this is a repost, I can't search.

Clean bulk = Less work when cutting.

I know what they are, I'd like to know what the relative advantages/disadvantages are of each.

why would progress be slowero n clean foods? doesn't it just boil down to # of cals?

A lot of people think it doesn't make a difference. How much of the excess weight goes to lean body mass and how much goes to fat is mostly determined by genetics. 80%. Its your P-ratio.

So basically with dirty bulking you put on more fat and less muscle? Am I interpreting that right?

food is all comprised of the same chemicals, 'clean' foods are not some magical form of chemicals that adds muscle without fat. The greater the carloric surplus the greater the fat gain, but also the greater the muscle gain. Its just going to be easier going far over the caloric maintenance level on 'dirty' foods. If you counted calories on a dirty bulk and a clean bulk and ate the same level of calories, I'm quite confident the fat gains would be relatively unnoticable

Bulking:Dirty Bulk = More Fat, More Muscle, Less Time Clean Bulk = Less Fat, More Muscle, More Time Cutting:Dirty Bulk = Takes Longer to loose the bf, keep more muscle mass Clean Bulk = Less bf to cut, could loose more muscle mass during cutting process than dirty bulk

christophers I agree with wazzle26

clean bulking will result in either really slow/no gains. if you seriously want to put on mass and get stronger, just eat balls to the wall. enjoy yourself too, eat fries and hamburgers and pie and shit. that makes the subsequent cutting a lot easier.

Sweet, I think dirty bulking is the way to go for myself personally. I think I am just going to eat pretty much normally but just add in stuff like chocolate bars, burgers, more pop, pizza. Want to add 10 pounds by July. Edit: I assume you just mean it makes the cutting easier because you'll have only been on strict diet for 6 months instead of 12...I'm hoping it'll make cutting easier because I won't be gaining a bigger appetite, but rather just an addiction to sugar, therefore I'll get cravings but not hunger pains when I cut.

Clean bulking is a slow process no doubt...I believe its for people who have already achieved some sort of serious muscle mass though. I think most kids in here need to eat clean 3-4 days and pig out the rest. Kind of a 50 50 mix. EVeryones afraid of getting fat...well to get to were i am I got huge/strong bloated and fat. Then cut it all off with hardcore diets. You do this over a few times and you come back leaner/denser and better everytime at the same offseason weight. Thats how I get to 260 and still stay 12%ish nowadays. disclaimer... Pl'ers are exempt as usual

PurEvl Clean bulking is a slow process no doubt...I believe its for people who have already achieved some sort of serious muscle mass though. I think most kids in here need to eat clean 3-4 days and pig out the rest. Kind of a 50 50 mix. EVeryones afraid of getting fat...well to get to were i am I got huge/strong bloated and fat. Then cut it all off with hardcore diets. You do this over a few times and you come back leaner/denser and better everytime at the same offseason weight. Thats how I get to 260 and still stay 12%ish nowadays. disclaimer... Pl'ers are exempt as usual nah pl'ers aren't exempt, I plan on going hard until I hit around 230lb, then cut down and maintain strength.

So....what do you guys recommend us newbies do for bulking? Clean or dirty?

I like diry bulking

dirty bulking just sounds more fun

did you guys find you got a lot of stretch marks during your bulking phases?

Rebs clean bulk = looking skinny all the time.. fixed

and i agree with Pur, i think the clean bulking route is for people who are already fairly big and just want to maintain their lean physique while adding muscle and strength slowly. but for the vast majority of people here, i think "dirty" bulking is the way to go and it's not as if you eat nothing but saturated fat...i still ate oatmeal all the time, plenty of omega3's etc.

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I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings.

dexterium I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings. are you shitting me?

dexterium I think I will be doing a hybrid of clean/dirty bulking as I want to keep a steady ratio of fat and muscle. Here is the kicker, I bet I could do it fast. For instance, me, who is currently doing 2200 calories, will be going to a 5000 calorie diet to do it crazy fast. The way that I would do it is with steel cut oats, protein powder, dextrose/other sugars, egg whites, tuna, fish oil/flax seed oil pills, no fruits, daily vitamins to make sure I got all of my stuff, cassein protein, skim milk instead of water on steel cut oats and a good 5 litres of water a day. You see, all you have to do is know some shit about insulin and how to use the bodie's most anabolic hormone. By adding dextrose to every meal, you make sure that your food is "absorbed faster". Holy shit I can't wait till I start my bulking phase.. sugar... that is one of the problems though, you get cravings. Sugar to every meal and no fruits...let me know how that works out.

good point.

christophers ya, its up to you. however the person who gains mroe muscle/fat will pretty much always be the one to progress faster, especially if he lose fat fast ala werdna or the kid in our gym. also due to: more weight gain -> more strength -> more strength = more microtrauma = more muscle again, its individual.. but most people simply cannot think long term. its all short term. thats the biggest fault i see daily. shit I think my bodyfat varies with what I've eaten in the last 2 hours. no joke.

What are the advantages of clean bulking?

Bondage Pull-ups

Bondage Pull-ups


Hot!

I'd hit it.

That's prolly her brother in the background too... ready to kick your ass...

very hot.

Damn!!!!!!!!

got some BIG OL TITTIES!

nice waist and tittays, but blasphemous use of bands

Nice

tryfuhl I'd hit it. dot

oh holy good lord i would hit it many times

she will be my new cardio machine

IBitschris'ssister

holy smokes she's hot every girl should strive to look like her.

daaaaaaaaaaaamn bitch!!! i'd rape her.

vettedude IBitschris'ssister lol I thought the same thing.

aenz she will be my new cardio machine .

Damn, you guys must really love fake titties.

Ilyusha Damn, you guys must really love fake titties. yep

chin-ups are wimpy. she should be doing pullups - especially if she's using a band

vettedude IBitschris'ssister naw, this one is hotter, probably a 1st or 2nd cousin

I would drink her bathwater.

Wow

5.10-Crux chin-ups are wimpy. she should be doing pullups - especially if she's using a band I thought chin-ups were a wide, overgrip and pull-ups were a close, undergrip...

Mugwump I thought chin-ups were a wide, overgrip and pull-ups were a close, undergrip... yeah those are pullups

redx

Bondage Pull-ups

Kinda a cheat meal?

Kinda a cheat meal?


so today was delt's and traps and legs day. i always do a good amount of shoulder work because its one of my fav part of the body to target. so after the gym i cook a pepperoni pizza. 28g of carbs and 16g of protein per 1/4 pizza...thats not too bad imo

Sh0kka so today was delt's and traps and legs day. i always do a good amount of shoulder work because its one of my fav part of the body to target. so after the gym i cook a pepperoni pizza. 28g of carbs and 16g of protein per 1/4 pizza...thats not too bad imo that must've been a very small pizza.

no it was same size as tonys xxl

It's all about how it fits into the bigger picture.. you are cutting I assume. If you are still maintaining a deficit and a reasonable portion of your intake is protein then it doesnt really matter, does it.

You don't want fat post workout, unless its some sort of mystical nonfat pizza...

oh well, you cheated a bit, move on. Look at the bigger picture.






































Kinda a cheat meal?

Allergic to whey...

Allergic to whey...


What should I take as far as powder? I've been taking soy, but now I'm ready all this stuff on how it could be bad for you. And I don't really want to take the risk. Is there another option besides whey and soy as far as protien powder goes? Thanks

Egg protein http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=450

How is it comparable to whey? Thanks for the quick answer by the way.

Welcome. Complete amino acid profile (contains essential aa's) and IIRC is digested pretty fast though I'm not sure if as fast as whey. Are you lactose intollerant or did you get tested to confirm you're allergic to whey?

I'm not lactose intollerant, but I was really allergic to milk when I was a kid, I can drink a glass of milk now and I won't feel too crappy, but I don't do it anyways. But every time I eat something with lots of whey in it, or try a whey protein shake I get a really bad allergic reaction.. It really sucks. But anyways I'm gunna trash my soy and go pick up some egg protein to try out.

FlameBox I'm not lactose intollerant, but I was really allergic to milk when I was a kid, I can drink a glass of milk now and I won't feel too crappy, but I don't do it anyways. But every time I eat something with lots of whey in it, or try a whey protein shake I get a really bad allergic reaction.. It really sucks. But anyways I'm gunna trash my soy and go pick up some egg protein to try out. I'm lactose intollerant actually. I had to experiment with which protein powders I could handle. Funny thing is Musclemilk I can take though not totally immune to it.

I like egg protein. It's just as tasty.

I picked up some 100% egg protien yesterday at Vitamin Shoppe, it's great! 22g/3/4 scoop, gunna probably do 3 scoops per day. It tastes awesome, just like chocolate milk, but with water. Thanks for the help guys.

i've tried rice protein before (sample pack) it wasnt bad and mixed really well and not thick tasting either.
































Allergic to whey...

what is this?

what is this?


Its very annoying when wearing shirts, seems like pec overlaps? Anyone know what this is?

its not a toomah

Welcome to my world man. I have them worse than anyone I know. I would go out in public without a shirt on if it wasn't for them. I tuck them behind muscle shirts though =D ---- there is me 20 pounds heavier (big woman titties ) ---- looking down towards my boobs they give them more of a pointy look.

it seems to be only the one side and my lat or shoulder blade seems messed up also so it feels uncomfortable for my arm

talongod it seems to be only the one side and my lat or shoulder blade seems messed up also so it feels uncomfortable for my arm I'm cursed with both sides When I asked a guy at the game who was in great shape, he said other than fat loss, work on dumbell fly's a lot.

actually that was an older pic its my other side that bothers me more






































what is this?

Arnold Pic

Arnold Pic




repost x11tyhundredbillion

we ARE going to look like that eventually like it or not

trancezj repost x11tyhundredbillion sorry.

took ya long enough to repost that from the main forum

christophers who cares. hes old and still the man. seriously

i see cuts still. arnold>*

Anyone have a date on that photo? Is it before or after he got in shape for T3?

Oh God! I thought the flatness look was a myth! But who gives a shit what you look like when you're like 65?

after shoulder surgery but before t3 I heard

Socrates Oh God! I thought the flatness look was a myth! But who gives a shit what you look like when you're like 65? He's 57, 58 in July.

7th Ninjai He's 57, 58 in July. Eh, still not too bad. I hear the sex isn't too great at 57.

fuck his age. he still warms up with more than my 1RM

7th Ninjai Anyone have a date on that photo? Is it before or after he got in shape for T3? That photo is from this weekend I guess. http://www.thisislondon.com/showbiz/...e=Daily%20Mail

tofu That photo is from this weekend I guess. http://www.thisislondon.com/showbiz/...e=Daily%20Mail He let all the work for T3 go?

Oh noes! People get old and don't look as good as they did when they were young!

Ilyusha Oh noes! People get old and don't look as good as they did when they were young! He looked great 2 years ago in T3. Being a politician has owned his body

Ilyusha Oh noes! People get old and don't look as good as they did when they were young! are you serious ? I met this one guy at my old gym, He was in his 60's and had a body of someone in their 30's. The guy was big and shredded too. I guess he has been working out for like 37 years.

7th Ninjai He looked great 2 years ago in T3. Being a politician has owned his body I heard they used a latex body cover for his upper body in T3, so that he would look bigger and more cut than his real body.

Ilyusha I heard they used a latex body cover for his upper body in T3, so that he would look bigger and more cut than his real body. I read the opposite. A lot of people were guessing it was CGI, I read a quote from Arnold when the film came out that it was totally him.

this picture is bullshit and old...

Serge Nubret in his late 60's was stil guest posing. I couldn't find the pic I saw but he still looked pretty good. Arnold just has different priorites now. His appearrance has less to do with his age and more with his current commitments.

timberwolf Serge Nubret in his late 60's was stil guest posing. I couldn't find the pic I saw but he still looked pretty good. Arnold just has different priorites now. His appearrance has less to do with his age and more with his current commitments. dude has done more than 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999x11y % of people will ever do. Imagine moving to a new country, becoming a super star and then governing one of their largest states.

timberwolf Serge Nubret in his late 60's was stil guest posing. I couldn't find the pic I saw but he still looked pretty good. Arnold just has different priorites now. His appearrance has less to do with his age and more with his current commitments.

gsxtasyd this picture is bullshit and old... The one on the beach is old. I read that was taken a year after his heart surgery. This pic seems legit.

Arnold Pic

Lifting safe with Spinal Fusion?

Lifting safe with Spinal Fusion?


I used to lift a few years ago, before I was a passenger in a serious car accident. Now, half my spine is fused together with titantium. My lower lumbar L4 and L5 shattered, and are now fused with the two above it and two below. I broke one of the rods a year later while I was shoveling snow, and had to get it replaced. It's pretty sturdy now with more metal fusing it together, but I don't know if I should start lifting again, at all. Anyone have experience with something like this, or know someone who has?

id ask a doctors advice personally when it comes to something this, more specifically they doctor who worked on you as he should know the condition your in best

Domo-Kun I used to lift a few years ago, before I was a passenger in a serious car accident. Now, half my spine is fused together with titantium. My lower lumbar L4 and L5 shattered, and are now fused with the two above it and two below. I broke one of the rods a year later while I was shoveling snow, and had to get it replaced. It's pretty sturdy now with more metal fusing it together, but I don't know if I should start lifting again, at all. Anyone have experience with something like this, or know someone who has? I'd definately talk to the doctor, don't let our advice ruin your life

Think about it. Do you think my Surgeon is going to risk a lawsuit by telling me that it's okay to lift? Hence why I'm asking about people with experience with this. Not just your guess as to what is probably safe or unsafe.

So what would you rather have, your doctor telling you not to lift because it's not safe, or us telling you it's safe to lift and fucking yourself up?

Davo So what would you rather have, your doctor telling you not to lift because it's not safe, or us telling you it's safe to lift and fucking yourself up? Are you thinking about what I said? Do you have experience with or know anyone with experience with a spinal fusion? If not, then no, I don't want you telling me it's safe.

Domo-Kun Think about it. Do you think my Surgeon is going to risk a lawsuit by telling me that it's okay to lift? Hence why I'm asking about people with experience with this. Not just your guess as to what is probably safe or unsafe. well I wouldn't see the problem with some lifts, as long as there isn't a large load of weight on your lower back. So avoid DL's, GM's, Squats, or anything else that might press a load on there.

count me out, i know no one with this surgery.

Domo-Kun Are you thinking about what I said? Do you have experience with or know anyone with experience with a spinal fusion? If not, then no, I don't want you telling me it's safe. yea but i think the point is no information on the internet forums can be taken as 100% true or false, its all about listening to good information and deciphering whats usuable information and whats junk as for all u know we are all 60yr old bustin our chops and killin time on the forums. Its one thing to become more knowledgeable about a certain topic but when personal status of ones well-being is at risk id turn towards a professional. often people with similiar symptoms could have completely different injuries and bodies could react differently and etc. I think as far as anyone knows u could lift lightly...or not lift at all..and i think that is the only an answer a doctor could give you, specially as this is not as common as spraining somthing or pulling a muscle so many people aren't well informed in this subject matter

So you're like a superhuman?

I would say no since it is your lumbar discs, they are under a lot of pressure, plus if you damage the nerves exposed between those discs you'd kinda miss their associated functions

igotyofire yea but i think the point is no information on the internet forums can be taken as 100% true or false, its all about listening to good information and deciphering whats usuable information and whats junk as for all u know we are all 60yr old bustin our chops and killin time on the forums. Its one thing to become more knowledgeable about a certain topic but when personal status of ones well-being is at risk id turn towards a professional. often people with similiar symptoms could have completely different injuries and bodies could react differently and etc. I think as far as anyone knows u could lift lightly...or not lift at all..and i think that is the only an answer a doctor could give you, specially as this is not as common as spraining somthing or pulling a muscle so many people aren't well informed in this subject matter Well I wouldn't rely on a "professional's" advice. Especially when that professional told me that I can do anything that I was able to do prior to the surgury, providing it doesn't cause me a great deal of pain. I was shoveling snow, and snap, one broke. Now, I know what you're saying.. If shoveling broke a titanium rod, then weight lifting is definately a no no. But, after talking to many different professionals about in incident, I believe it to have been a defective implant. In addition to this, the new 'cage' of titanium has a new design with more pieces, making it much more sturdy.

seeking information on something like this from otfn is beyond fucking retarded. It's rare condition that I doubt anyone will have any experience with. If your surgeon or specialist sucks, find a new one. If you trust us more than your doctor there is a serious problem.

Peal seeking information on something like this from otfn is beyond fucking retarded. It's rare condition that I doubt anyone will have any experience with. If your surgeon or specialist sucks, find a new one. If you trust us more than your doctor there is a serious problem. Where did I say I trust OT more than my surgeon? I said I wouldn't rely on my Surgeon's advice, because he was wrong the first time, and it put me in the hospital for a week to undergo another MAJOR surgery. I'm asking for people who might have experience with a spinal fusion. I didn't say that any information I gather from OT is going to make or break my decision to do any type of lifting. Don't ASSume. It's retarded to ask if someone on the forum knows anyone with a similar situation?

Domo-Kun It's retarded to ask if someone on the forum knows anyone with a similar situation? Nothing wrong with you asking that. Everyone just has to argue with you because they have nothing better to do. I asked a simple question earlier and instead of getting an answer to my question, a couple people just criticized it or got way off topic. Because they just want to argue or whatever the fuck their childish motives are.

ryazbeck Nothing wrong with you asking that. Everyone just has to argue with you because they have nothing better to do. I asked a simple question earlier and instead of getting an answer to my question, a couple people just criticized it or got way off topic. Because they just want to argue or whatever the fuck their childish motives are. Welcome to OT

yeah, you'll be fine. i wouldnt start out deadlifting more than 5 or 600lbs to start out though, take it easy for a few weeks. the titanium should actually make your back stronger right?

dank yeah, you'll be fine. i wouldnt start out deadlifting more than 5 or 600lbs to start out though, take it easy for a few weeks. the titanium should actually make your back stronger right? Not sure whether I should take that question as sarcasm or not. But, yes, it does make my spine stronger aside from the capabilities of my own muscles on them. If I get into another car accident, my spine is better off with the instruments than without. I should cite that as coming from the orthopedic/neurosurgeon, because they aren't my own words.

chadhova My dad just had this surgery on his C1 and C2. He was seriously fucked up for like 3 months after surgery. It's been 6 months now and he has just begun swinging golf clubs, much less lifting heavy. As you probably know, C1 and C2 is much more serious than yours but i'd still be very wary. One of these?

go to the Q&A at www.elitefts.com and address your question to Thomas

Ilyusha One of these? not exactly lower lumbar, but E for effort. More like these...

Ceaze go to the Q&A at www.elitefts.com and address your question to Thomas Thank you. Will do that right now.

Domo-Kun not exactly lower lumbar, but E for effort. More like these... Look who I was quoting.. E for effort for you on reading comprehension.

Ilyusha Look who I was quoting.. E for effort for you on reading comprehension. and yes, definately not that serious..

here's thomas' reply to you: My advice is to go slow. I would start with sled work. There is a great video here by Joe Kenn. you can do many lower body exercises with the sled and can of course add resistance in a less weight bearing manner. I would also try bodyweight squats off the box with perfect form. If you can do them, you can gradually add weight. Do this as a light test. Make the sled your primary weapon at this time.

Lifting safe with Spinal Fusion?

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