A little offtopic but what happened with Lyle and Avant Labs?

A little offtopic but what happened with Lyle and Avant Labs?

At the end of UD2 Lyle mentioned that his friends at Avant Labs was creating a product called Leptigen and hopefully it would work as it claimed. He seemed rather positive torwards them. However, if you read his posts on the message board, he's really negative about Avant Labs saying all they do is put a ton of garbage in one bottle and hope it works. Then says how they base all their research on rat studies and they don't take in account for human physiology and what not. Lyle called Par a supplement conman like the rest. What happened?

A little offtopic but what happened with Lyle and Avant Labs?

A little offtopic but what happened with Lyle and Avant Labs?

website request: v.:x:

website request: v.:x:

the place the makes the office lamps out of brake rotors, and coilovers

wrong forum...

Uh, I think its www.wrongforum.com Although i'm kinda curious, I like the sound of that.

website request: v.:x:

Gpp?

Gpp?

Does anyone know anything about it...it's like General ...something. Also, has anyone here built a sled (ones with weights) and you attached it to your waist and walk around? I'm thinking of building one and using it out at the park this summer.

General Physical Preparedness

realest00 General Physical Preparedness Thank you, are you the only one that knows it?

General Physical Preparedness By: Louie Simmons General physical preparedness (GPP) is a term that refers to a degree of fitness, which is an extension of absolute strength. Many don't believe in it at all. Here, I am referring to the people who say if you want to be good at the powerlifts, just practice the powerlifts. Of course, this leads others to say that powerlifters are out of shape, and the above-mentioned group is. Many times the ones that advocate only the classical lifts are the very ones that complain that powerlifters are out of shape. We all squat, yet we are not built identically. Some develop large quads, some develop big glutes and hips, and others may have very powerful hamstrings. It's obvious to me that if one muscle group is developed to a greater degree than another, then the smaller muscle groups are holding back your lifts. What's the answer? You must do special exercises for the lagging muscle groups. But before you can pursue an increase in volume by way of special exercises, you must be in excellent shape. General physical preparedness raises your ability to do more work by special means. There are several ways of raising work capacity. One method that we use at Westside is using the pulling sled for the hips and glutes. We pull the sled with the strap attached to the back of our power belts. We walk with long, powerful strides, maintaining an upright body position, pulling through with the feet, which stresses the hamstrings and glutes. This is common practice for throwers overseas. I learned about pulling from Eskil Thomasson, who is Swedish. Before he moved to Columbus , he visited Finland to see why so many Finns deadlift so well. Many of these strong deadlifters were lumberjacks. They routinely had to pull paper wood down to the main trail, where the tractors could pick it up. Another style of pulling is with a double handle held behind your back and below your knees. The torso is bent over, and the strides are long. This is great for building the hamstrings. To work the front of the hips and lower abs, attach a strap to each ankle and walk, pulling the sled by your feet. Vasily Alexiev use to walk in knee-deep water for roughly 1000 steps after a work out. This is similar to what we are doing but with the advantage of being able to add or reduce weight, which varies the resistance. For building the outside of the hips and the inside of the legs, position the straps around the ankles and walk sideways, first one way, then the other, left then right, forward and backward. For the quads and front of the hips, walk backward with the strap around the front of your belt. To start this type of work, I recommend doing six trips of 200 feet each. Use only one style of dragging until you feel confident of your ability to include more work. We do this low body work on the squat day, Friday, and on the max effort day, Monday, plus on the days after (Saturday and Tuesday), using 60% of what was done on the previous day. This contributes greatly to restoration. For legs and upper back, as well as building your grip, try pushing and pulling a weighted wheelbarrow. This has had a great effect on my knee that suffered a patella tendon rupture. I thank Jesse Kellum for this exercise. He used his for knee rehab for profootball players. Pushing the wheelbarrow up a mild grade really increases the work on the lower thigh muscles. Again, start with six trips of 200 feet. Only when you have adjusted to the additional work should you increase the number of trips. Now back to the sled, but this time for the upper body. When George Halbert sees an increase in upper body mass, the process must be working, and that process is pulling a sled with the upper body. There are many methods of doing this. One duplicates the motion of a pec machine. Start with the arms behind your back. Slowly pull your arms to the front. Walk forward slowly and let the tension in the strap pull your arms to the rear, and again pull forward. One can also do a front-raise motion with the palms facing down. For the lats, start with the arms behind your back, raise your arms, palms up, like a double upper-cut, by first flexing your lower lats. The farther forward hands go, the more the upper lats are worked. By walking backward you can do rear delt work, upright rowing, and external shoulder work. A good reactive method for the bench press is to hold the straps out in front of you, and as you walk forward and the slack is removed, drive the sled forward in a shock fashion. This is very taxing but is great for reversal strength. Do the upper body sled work for time, not distance. Mix the different styles together. Start with 5 minutes of pulling and work up to at least 20 minutes. I do 30-40 minutes. Walk slowly and don't jerk the sled. Only the reactive bench press method should be jerked. Use the rule of 60%: Start heavy on day 1 and reduce the weight each day for 3 consecutive days. Then go back to a heavy weight the fourth day, e.g., 90 pounds, 70 pounds, 50 pounds, each weight representing one day. The same applies to pulling the sled for lower body power and to the wheelbarrow. This work will greatly increase your physical ability to train as well as work as restoration. This style is resistance work for those seeking greater overall strength, power- and weightlifters, football players, or anyone that needs to raise work capacity to reach a higher level of excellence, which is anyone who took the time to read this article. But are there different routes to this type of work? Yes. GPP work is very common in track and field overseas, but is still very much overlooked in the United States. An experiment was conducted at The University of Pittsburgh. Head strength coach Buddy Morrison brought in a sprint expert, John Davies, who is very well versed in GPP work for running. John works with many pro players and has consistently lowered their 40 times. While his GPP work consists of weightless drills, such as jumping jacks, line hops, mountain climbers, and shuffle splits, it perfects running and jumping skills in addition to lateral speed. As John simply puts it, "I have never met a North American Athlete, from the major team sports, that the inclusion of this work will not cause a remarkable change in their optimum performance. Simply, without this solid base, substantial gains are limited and success is restricted to those more genetically gifted.... The median improvement in 40 yard dash times over eight weeks was .25 . This work is not for the weak of heart as the overall work volumes are enormous." John Davies' training, as mine, is regulated up and down in a wave fashion to ensure restoration and to raise work loads. If you are not after the highest possible level of power and speed, don't waste your time. But if you want to call out "Who's next?", like the immortal Goldberg, give this a try. .

General Physical Preparedness: Westside Style

i was actually going to start a thread on this. anyone here do GPP at home? i dont have or can use a sled, so thats out, so ive improvised. here are mine:wheelbarrow- using 5-6 bags of cement. weighted jumps - hold a bag of cement and jump while tucking legs as best you can. (obviously work around the house is always good. shovelling snow, using an ax or pick, etc) anyone else care to provide some ideas?

Leo95SE i was actually going to start a thread on this. anyone here do GPP at home? i dont have or can use a sled, so thats out, so ive improvised. here are mine:wheelbarrow- using 5-6 bags of cement. weighted jumps - hold a bag of cement and jump while tucking legs as best you can. (obviously work around the house is always good. shovelling snow, using an ax or pick, etc) anyone else care to provide some ideas? Yeah, im down. Or link to how to build a sled?

Gutrat Yeah, im down. Or link to how to build a sled? Iron Addict As many of you know I am a fanatic about pulling sleds. One can be built for about 40 bucks. Here's how: Get a piece of 1/4 inch steel plate at the scrap yard that is 21 inches by 24 inches. You will also need about a 12-15 inch piece of heavy wall 2 inch pipe. Have your welding/machine shop either bend the 24 inch end up 3 inches to make the lip, or cut off 3 inches and weld it on at an angle to make a lip. Have them weld the pipe smack dab in the middle of the 21 x 21 section, and then drill or punch a hole in the CENTER upper portion of the lip. My shop did all of the above for 25 bucks. Paint it black, and have fun! Here is a pic of mine. It just happens to weigh right on 45 lbs which is great for the mathematically challenged. http://www.ironaddicts.com/pics/sled1.jpg Iron Addict A Dave Tate article http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...itan?id=459405

wow.. no one does GPP huh?

I used to work in the warehouse at Circuit City. Now I'm the merchandising manager but on truck days I still like to go back to the warehouse and get a decent GPP workout in. I lift all of the TVs from 45 to 180lbs by hand and grab stacks of 200lb+ TVs with the handtruck (sometimes I stack them 3 high). Big screens are always fun to handle because the large size of the boxes means you have to figure out how to lift them even though some of them aren't very heavy (42" sony LCD projection tv in the box is only 100lbs or so) their size makes them very cumbersome. I used to do alot of "weighted" jumping exercises when I was practicing martial arts.

I am bumping this, cause i wanna start doing it.. anyone think this could work as cardio, or should i still do some walking/joging, i am thinking about just pushing my truck around with the E-brake on, until i can build a sled...

christophers look up 'cardio confusion' on t-mag and do something in there. pushin a truck is kind of dumb IMO. its pretty easy to make a sled though. a wleder will do it for cheap. ehh, i thought it was sorta clever, hopefully i can make a sled this weekend with my redneck weldin SKILLZ EDIT: can someone link that article, the search function will not work for me??

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=548070

it stands for general do a fucking search i think

well, got it done todaty, so far, it has cost 21.00 just need to buy rope and a harness, or maybee a belt. here r some pics, no pics of me welding it, although i should have got em

No welding pics?!

Hip Hippo No welding pics?! yeah, mistich said i sucked at life too cause of this...

Gpp?

Damn it I did it again (cutting)...

Damn it I did it again (cutting)...

I always do this, started cutting again today seriously after 2 weeks of cheating, started the day off right, 2 eggs +1 white and 1 cup of oats, then a tuna wrap and then a 55g protein shake and a burger patty w/o bun, then... I just went off and in the last 2 hours I've eaten 2 Cinnebon cinamon buns, a frosted chocolate cupcake (very big), 3 oreos, a piece of banana bread and some other crap.... anyone else have a LOT of trouble sticking to a clean diet?

You need to learn self control say to yourself 'Will i fell good about this an hour from now?' Remember food is fuel not fun.

Really fucking weaksauce.

There's this vending machine at my work that has these Skippy Peanutbutter Snackbars. They're like pure peanut butter with rice krispies on the inside. Absolutely delicious. In front of me was my plain chicken berast-on-cardboard sandwich, some cottage cheese, a yogurt, and some reheated brown rice. I ate all my food just fine, but I was still a *little* bit hungry. You have no idea how hard it was for me to sit in front of that fucking vending machine and not get a peanut butter bar. In reality, that bar isn't too bad for my diet. But alas, I made a commitment to eat nothing but healthy, clean foods. You just have to look at what you're doing. Eating all that not-so-great tasting foods just so you can better your health. So, why go through all the trouble eating all that healthy shit if you're just going to waste any profit gained from eating healthy by binging on a bunch of junk food. It's all about self-control. Learn it.

no

You can't even make it one day? Jesus. I won't tell you how many calories are in those cinnabon things...but let's just say you really, really have to cut that shit out. Have you tried starting small (very little sugar, diet sodas only, no candy, chips, etc) instead of diving straight into an egg white and oats diet? Baby steps...sounds like you need to ween yourself off of the trash.

Wow you really suck at dieting

Alt+F4 You can't even make it one day? Jesus. I won't tell you how many calories are in those cinnabon things...but let's just say you really, really have to cut that shit out. Have you tried starting small (very little sugar, diet sodas only, no candy, chips, etc) instead of diving straight into an egg white and oats diet? Baby steps...sounds like you need to ween yourself off of the trash. I think it would be more helpful to him if we told him. Cinnomin roll x 2: 1480 calories Oreo x 3: 160 calories Banana Bread x 1: 185 calories Large frosted cupcake x1: ~150 calories (or more) So that little binge costed you more than 2000 calories because you probably didn't list everything you ate. You need to seriously reevaluate why you're doing this and how important it is to you. If you're trying to lose weight, 2000 calories is probably all you should eat/drink (of clean foods) throughout an entire day. So fix your diet before you come here looking for sympathy.

i just ate half a pizza =(

You have no self controll, you can eat that shit, just not that much... My cutting diet today BOB mcdonalds

vettedude You have no self controll, you can eat that shit, just not that much... My cutting diet today BOB mcdonalds this coming from someone at what weight and body fat? You simply don't eat that shit when you're cutting. Useless calories, and see the post on 'Insulin', you might learn something.

SteveO this coming from someone at what weight and body fat? You simply don't eat that shit when you're cutting. Useless calories, and see the post on 'Insulin', you might learn something. well, i am still loosing weight eating whatever the fuck i want, until this stops, i will continue to do it.

I wish I could get good results fucking around and eating whatever. When I put time and effort in something I want good results fast, so I try not to cheat. I value my time too much. i'd rather spend more time eating and getting stronger than feeling lethargic cutting.

seriously you suck at dedication and fitness

I find it easy to eat clean. I've been eating almost the same stuff everyday and I'm not getting bored at all. If I do have a cheat day I'm going to work it off to limit its effects

Soularis I find it easy to eat clean. I've been eating almost the same stuff everyday and I'm not getting bored at all. If I do have a cheat day I'm going to work it off to limit its effects I just love eating a ton of food. My cheat day is eating a ton of clean food. fuck variety!

I don't think cutting is that bad if you eat the right things. I don't really get that hungry even when I was cutting since I was still eating like 6x a day. You just have no motivation and a weak sense of self control.

D-GUy I don't think cutting is that bad if you eat the right things. I don't really get that hungry even when I was cutting since I was still eating like 6x a day. You just have no motivation and a weak sense of self control. whats your body fat and are you taking any supplements? I think about food a lot more nowadays then I used too.

QBoost Controllers I always do this, started cutting again today seriously after 2 weeks of cheating, started the day off right, 2 eggs +1 white and 1 cup of oats, then a tuna wrap and then a 55g protein shake and a burger patty w/o bun, then... I just went off and in the last 2 hours I've eaten 2 Cinnebon cinamon buns, a frosted chocolate cupcake (very big), 3 oreos, a piece of banana bread and some other crap.... anyone else have a LOT of trouble sticking to a clean diet? well, this is why moderation is so important to most people. i mean, if you are strong enough to stay clean 100% on your diet, then sure, nothing will ever distract you.. but if you are just like the rest of us, you have to slowly change your diet, gradually.. when you cut all the junk dramatically, in your head, you are depriving, and as a consequence, you will binge on junks the very next second comes by... the worse thing is that the more you eat junk, the more you crave them so its just a vicious cycle you go through... instead of thinking you are dieting(restricting), think that you are actually eating better food and enjoying them.. i know it sounds hard, but the first 3-4 days are the hardest.. but i promise that after that, you won't even miss the junk.. it takes about 3-4 days for your body to completely get rid of sugar & junks.. good luck.

AznRyda whats your body fat and are you taking any supplements? I think about food a lot more nowadays then I used too. No clue what my bf%, but my cutting calories was around 1800(11x165). Mainly ate oatmeal, chicken breasts, tuna, wheat bread, veges, and took my whey protein after working out. You just have to get used to eating less, it's all in your head.

D-GUy No clue what my bf%, but my cutting calories was around 1800(11x165). Mainly ate oatmeal, chicken breasts, tuna, wheat bread, veges, and took my whey protein after working out. You just have to get used to eating less, it's all in your head. That's the fucking truth. Just look at that junk food in front of you and ask yourself - am I really hungry? Is this really worth it? Most the time I find myself about to eat some junk food I find that I'm really not hungry at all. It's just a mental thing. I feel like I should always be eating.

xpinchx That's the fucking truth. Just look at that junk food in front of you and ask yourself - am I really hungry? Is this really worth it? Most the time I find myself about to eat some junk food I find that I'm really not hungry at all. It's just a mental thing. I feel like I should always be eating. I think that only works up to a certain point. I think its fairly easy/straightforward going to average body fat levels.

well I at too clean and not enough cals so I lost alot of my bulking gains.

AznRyda I think that only works up to a certain point. I think its fairly easy/straightforward going to average body fat levels. Yeah. My mom jumped on the Atkins bandwagon and she lost something ridiculous like 20 lbs in 3-4 weeks and she looked great. But after that she didn't lose any weight at all so she got discouraged and stopped the diet. She blew back up like a baloon. I wish people would just eat healthy.

I have been cutting for about 12 weeks now and have never had problems like that. Some people call my diet shitty but it's incredibly clean compared to yours. I think you need to practice some self control. without that, you may as well get your stomach stapled, it'd be the only way for you to limit your caloric intake and still eat as much as you want/could.

Damn it I did it again (cutting)...

Time to show off those legs!

Time to show off those legs!

So I see threads all the time where people post pics of themselves in normal poses, but hardly ever do I see legs get any love. So here is the thread to show off your awesome legs that you all have from squatting 11ty billion pounds. Here are mine. Sorry about the shitty camera phone quality. It really takes away from the half-way decent definition I have.

OUT. my legs are faaaaat





jonno The shadow there makes it look like you have poo on your leg.

Ilyusha The shadow there makes it look like you have poo on your leg. purevl came over today.. he likes that stuff.

jonno purevl came over today.. he likes that stuff. I thought he likes being shitted on, not shitting on people.

Ilyusha I thought he likes being shitted on, not shitting on people. well.. i did shit on his face

jonno well.. i did shit on his face Oh, OK good..



the thread title could be a little less gay next time

sans_pants the thread title could be a little less gay next time "HAYYY BOYYYYSSSS, HOW DEM LEGS LOOKIN " lc

jonno "HAYYY BOYYYYSSSS, HOW DEM LEGS LOOKIN " lc hes a closet homo

HEY SHUTUP FAGS!!1lc

1 1/2 years old, 1 inch bigger - currently 17.25

eh my legs arent worth showing lol

GilgaMesH So I see threads all the time where people post pics of themselves in normal poses, but hardly ever do I see legs get any love. So here is the thread to show off your awesome legs that you all have from squatting 11ty billion pounds. Here are mine. Sorry about the shitty camera phone quality. It really takes away from the half-way decent definition I have. where did you take those pictures.

Gutrat where did you take those pictures. looks like dressing room with a camera phone

jonno looks like dressing room with a camera phone but why ?

SteveO 1 1/2 years old, 1 inch bigger - currently 17.25 are you standing on your bathroom counter?

dmaestro are you standing on your moms bathroom counter?

dmaestro are you standing on your bathroom counter? yeah luckily I was a lightweight in those days



Ceaze

Ceaze Ceaze: Ripped to Shreds #1

Time to show off those legs!

High calorie food and low fat

High calorie food and low fat

Like the title says, what are some? Looking to gain some pounds but try and keep the fat down if its possible.

You mean nutrient dense stuff? You're probably just going to have to eat a lot more of good, "clean" foods- low-fat protein, good carbs, etc if you want to minimize fat gain while bulking. Have you been working out? Do you already have a program in place?

Elfling You mean nutrient dense stuff? You're probably just going to have to eat a lot more of good, "clean" foods- low-fat protein, good carbs, etc if you want to minimize fat gain while bulking. Have you been working out? Do you already have a program in place? yes i have a program set in place for my workout, but nothing i really follow as far as my food goes yet.

lots of fish, chicken, vegi's, water, oatmeal.

Mike McDermott dietary fat does not make you fat it could if you are eating a lot of carbs as well.

Low fat yogurt from Costco

MikeMurder Low fat yogurt from Costco you have to eat an ass amount of yogurt to have a ton of calories.

High calorie food and low fat

This really sucks

This really sucks

I got a wisdom tooth pulled lat night (longest root doc had ever seen, luck me ) so i couldn't really eat or drink much. Today ain't gonna be much better because my mouth is swollen but good. And starting tonight I have to fast for some blood tests as part of my physical tomorrow. bye bye my muscle

you really wont lose much in a few days, make sure you sleep alot

welcome to cutting!

I've been cutting for over a month now, and this is beyond cutting for me.

fasting for a blood test isn't a big deal, you just dont' eat/drink for one night and you really don't want to stress yourself while your socket is healing, increased blood pressure during that time can cause the socket to bleed and not heal properly just chillax

SoKo fasting for a blood test isn't a big deal, you just dont' eat/drink for one night and you really don't want to stress yourself while your socket is healing, increased blood pressure during that time can cause the socket to bleed and not heal properly just chillax thats the problem, working out (in the end) is relaxing for me. If I don't work out I get real tense and grumpy...its like I'm addicted

Dragon thats the problem, working out (in the end) is relaxing for me. If I don't work out I get real tense and grumpy...its like I'm addicted work out your brain and read just don't do anything to jostle the blood clot

im starting to come down with a cold...excellent

NoXeN im starting to come down with a cold...excellent be careful, a machine might fall on you

Don't bitch.. At least you didn't get mono I haven't been back to the gym in about 6 weeks. My spleen is still all swollen up, and I've lost about 15 pounds of muscle.

This really sucks