This article made me think of Tize...

This article made me think of Tize...

http://www.thephatphree.com/features...StoryYear=2005

This article made me think of Tize...

This article made me think of Tize...

inflammed shoulder... how do you know you have one?

inflammed shoulder... how do you know you have one?

and what do you do if you do have one? also, how long should i wait before i resume lifting?

Uh, calm down, relax... 1. Take anti-inflamatory (Ibphrophen) 2. Ice for 15 minutes (with towel) 3. Relax 4. ? 5. Profit You probably could start lifting again in like a couple of days -- depending on how serious it is.

just take a break for a week and see what happens.

inflammed shoulder... how do you know you have one?

For those who know Max OT

For those who know Max OT

What do you think of the 'muscle memory' postulation? I can almost always use heavier weights at the beggining of my set rather than at the end, but is this hurting my long term gains? Or does it only apply if youre 100% using Max OT?

I have no idea what you're talking about but... if I attemp a 1rm before doing my sets, I can't do nearly as much reps or sets

this shit is bananas, b, a, nan, a, s!

PreemO this shit is bananas, b, a, nan, a, s!

Um, the thing about Max OT that I read said that your muscles adapt based on your last set, so if you do your heaviest set first and your lighter sets later on than your muscles will adapt to your lighter sets...

Sounds like you read another AST Paul Cribb artical to me, you gotta learn to stay away from those.

therealdeal Um, the thing about Max OT that I read said that your muscles adapt based on your last set, so if you do your heaviest set first and your lighter sets later on than your muscles will adapt to your lighter sets... same principle behind CP. based on a study i posted a while back.

The question is, what do you guys think about it? Like I said before, I find I can lift a lot more weight when my muscles are fresh. Its not that I'm not going to failure on my last set, its just that the failure for my last set is a lesser weight than my first set.

Mike McDermott how is that the same principle behind cp? dont you prgressively up the weight on CP ME days? even on DE days, throw in a heavier set at the end on occasion. this trains your muscles toward the heavier weight. i dont have time to find the articles, but they are there.

therealdeal The question is, what do you guys think about it? Like I said before, I find I can lift a lot more weight when my muscles are fresh. Its not that I'm not going to failure on my last set, its just that the failure for my last set is a lesser weight than my first set. if your looking to follow max-ot it doesnt work that way. heaviest you can consistently lift for 2-3 sets of 4-6 reps. if you cant do 4, go lighter, if you can do more than 6, go heavier. dont forget the 3-4 sets of warmup weight. personally, i think its a great program. my only suggestion, which i dont remember being in there, is to rotate the daily compound movement every few weeks. i hit CNS failure bgi time about 7-8 weeks in.

For those who know Max OT

are hacksquats a decent replacement for regular squats?

are hacksquats a decent replacement for regular squats?

I just can't hold any decent amount of weight on my back after fucking up my shoulder. how does the similarity in form with dl's stack up? just emphasis on quads rather than posterior chain?

decent yes, but nothing replaces the squat. There good for uses different foot positions to target inner and outer heads.

I am not even familiar with that term.

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...HackSquat.html are they better than say leg pressing? i'd like to get one of those cambered or safety bars for squatting but i don't feel like dropping 300+ plus bucks on one

I thought hack squats worked your quads more, I am sure it is a good exercise to do sence you can't do regular squats but they are not a complete replacement. I would go with a combo of leg press and hack squats.

Also I have difficulty doing this exercise, the bar really rubs the back of my calfs and when it gets to my butt it gets stuck under it and I am not completely standing errect yet. Anyone else have this problem?

front squats

cunninglinguist front squats negative, still have shoulder issues

barbell hack squats put your quads on fire....just make sure you don't neglect your hammies

Ceaze barbell hack squats put your quads on fire....just make sure you don't neglect your hammies thats old school and awesome, I almost dislocated my shoulder doing them though back in the day. Make sure your on the right side of the bar after strapping in. and dont step over

I only do front squats.

are hacksquats a decent replacement for regular squats?

Should I start drinking protein shakes? Also, rate my routine and diet.

Should I start drinking protein shakes? Also, rate my routine and diet.

I just started working out again heavily, but I don't know if I should drink protein shakes. I'll give you my routine and my diet, you let me know what you think . Routine - 5 day switch, HIIT Monday - chest Tuesday - shoulders Wednesday - biceps/triceps Thursday - off Friday - back Saturday - legs Sunday - off This is what I eat normally: Breakfast @ 8-9am: 10+10 Trader Joe's Cereal, 10 grams fiber, 10 grams protein (soy), banana, apple Lunch @ 12:30pm: regular turkey avocado from Togo's or something else remotely healthy (I'm trying to get in the habit of making my own sandwiches to take to school with me) Pre-workout ~4-6pm: sandwich, banana Start workout anywhere between 5-7pm, workout for 45 minutes or so and then do 20-30 minutes of cardio Post-workout ~6-8pm: sandwich or tuna on crackers + gatorade 30-45 minutes later I'll eat another small meal of either a sandwich or tuna I drink about 84 fl oz. of water per day (5 water bottles) including one during my workout. Should I start drinking protein shakes and if so, when?

I'm not seeing shoulder work, but I do like the two leg days, I would train legs in a westside manner or at least some type of CP if you are going to do two days.

ACURA TL-S I'm not seeing shoulder work, but I do like the two leg days, I would train legs in a westside manner or at least some type of CP if you are going to do two days. Crap. I only do legs one day on Saturday. Wednesday is shoulders.

diet rating: 3/10 if bulking, 5/10 if cutting looks like you could use a protein shake with breakfast, pre and post workout. edit: I'm assuming your bulking if you're doing HST. Eat more.

hootpie Should I start drinking protein shakes and if so, when? Yes. Whenever you can...mostly before and after workout (breakfast, lunch, dinner)

shastaisforwinners diet rating: 3/10 if bulking, 5/10 if cutting looks like you could use a protein shake with breakfast, pre and post workout. edit: I'm assuming your bulking if you're doing HST. Eat more. I am trying to clean bulk. What kind of protein shakes do you guys recommend?

What kind of protein shakes should I get? Do they replace meals?

http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=63

if you have a costco membership get the powder there

twofourtysx if you have a costco membership get the powder there I'll check out Costco tomorrow or so. As for flavors, what tends to be the best tasting?

hootpie I'll check out Costco tomorrow or so. As for flavors, what tends to be the best tasting? chocolate they have 6lbs for $20

twofourtysx chocolate they have 6lbs for $20 Cool, thanks for the heads up.

twofourtysx chocolate they have 6lbs for $20 how's the stuff taste? that's a good price

SteveO how's the stuff taste? that's a good price I doubt it tastes like a Dove bar, but it's probably better than drinking fish juice

....personally, I wouldn't want to do shoulders the day after arms... cause if my triceps are sore... it would hinder my shoulder workout... (primarily in overhead press movements), I'd also keep chest and shoulder workouts as far apart as possilbe, or just do'em the same day (NOT split them either as in "AM" "PM" workouts).

is300eater ....personally, I wouldn't want to do shoulders the day after arms... cause if my triceps are sore... it would hinder my shoulder workout... (primarily in overhead press movements), I'd also keep chest and shoulder workouts as far apart as possilbe, or just do'em the same day (NOT split them either as in "AM" "PM" workouts). I don't know what's wrong with me. I totally wrote my workout wrong. Here's the non-crack smoker version: Monday - chest Tuesday - shoulders Wednesday - biceps/triceps Thursday - off Friday - back Saturday - legs Sunday - off

hootpie I don't know what's wrong with me. I totally wrote my workout wrong. Here's the non-crack smoker version: Monday - chest Tuesday - shoulders Wednesday - biceps/triceps Thursday - off Friday - back Saturday - legs Sunday - off Your shoulders aren't taxed from chest day?

Ilyusha Your shoulders aren't taxed from chest day? They are, but not too much to the point where it hinders my shoulder workout. By the way, I solved my headache problem.

hootpie They are, but not too much to the point where it hinders my shoulder workout. By the way, I solved my headache problem. Congrats.

Ilyusha Congrats. Thanks...it was getting VERY bothersome.

Should I start drinking protein shakes? Also, rate my routine and diet.

what happens if the majority of your protein are not from whole foods?

what happens if the majority of your protein are not from whole foods?

i'm looking at my food journal and i notice on a typical day, i get ~70% of my potein from shakes. i've been super busy at work and don't have time to prepare my meals or go to resturants, so i've been living off of deli (subway and quisnos) sandwhiches for about 2 months now, and rely on 4-8 servings of ON for protein. i'm at 190lbs and cutting if it makes any difference. the weekends are ok as i grill fish or chicken at least once a day, it's only during the week that the majority of my prortien comes from shakes. typical weekday meal plan looks like: oatmeal 2 servings on sammich 2 servings on sammich 2 servings on throw in a pre and post shake on days i workout. i know it will be asked: no, i don't have time to make eggs in the morning. only reason i can even eat breakfast is because i make my oatmeal at work and shovel it down as i read my email in the morning

you can't cook some chicken or eat a can of tuna? Tuna- takes 2 seconds to open the can. Chicken- make it all at once in the oven, on sunday or whatever...there you have it, 3-4 pounds of chicken breasts to eat for the next few days. I'd just get sick from drinkin so much ON

infinite loop i'm looking at my food journal and i notice on a typical day, i get ~70% of my potein from shakes. i've been super busy at work and don't have time to prepare my meals or go to resturants, so i've been living off of deli (subway and quisnos) sandwhiches for about 2 months now, and rely on 4-8 servings of ON for protein. i'm at 190lbs and cutting if it makes any difference. the weekends are ok as i grill fish or chicken at least once a day, it's only during the week that the majority of my prortien comes from shakes. typical weekday meal plan looks like: oatmeal 2 servings on sammich 2 servings on sammich 2 servings on throw in a pre and post shake on days i workout. i know it will be asked: no, i don't have time to make eggs in the morning. only reason i can even eat breakfast is because i make my oatmeal at work and shovel it down as i read my email in the morning At least 50-60% of my protein comes from shakes if I'm targetting over 200g per day. I don't worry about it...

joy division you can't cook some chicken or eat a can of tuna? Tuna- takes 2 seconds to open the can. Chicken- make it all at once in the oven, on sunday or whatever...there you have it, 3-4 pounds of chicken breasts to eat for the next few days. I'd just get sick from drinkin so much ON yeah, i could.. i guess i'd just prefer not to because i don't like reheated chicken and don't like the taste of tuna. i know, i'm being a bitch i've gotten used to the on, it doesn't bother me at all anymore. if by chance it gets to me, we have free coffee at the office so i can get that to chase away the taste.

fuck reheating it, i hate it warm..just eat it cold- I bring 2 pounds of chicken breasts with me to school. Just leave it in my bag. mmmmm mmmm

infinite loop i'm looking at my food journal and i notice on a typical day, i get ~70% of my potein from shakes. i've been super busy at work and don't have time to prepare my meals or go to resturants, so i've been living off of deli (subway and quisnos) sandwhiches for about 2 months now, and rely on 4-8 servings of ON for protein. i'm at 190lbs and cutting if it makes any difference. the weekends are ok as i grill fish or chicken at least once a day, it's only during the week that the majority of my prortien comes from shakes. typical weekday meal plan looks like: oatmeal 2 servings on sammich 2 servings on sammich 2 servings on throw in a pre and post shake on days i workout. i know it will be asked: no, i don't have time to make eggs in the morning. only reason i can even eat breakfast is because i make my oatmeal at work and shovel it down as i read my email in the morning I wouldnt worry about it. The only time I was ever told to make sure all my protein, or at least the majority of it, came from whole foods, was when a chinese herbalist told me my ying and yang and Chi was all out of wack. I changed my diet accordingly, and became sick and more tired and well all negative affects. I like the taste of food better, but sometimes its easier to make a shake and forget about it.

Getting a bunch from shakes is better than not getting enough. My only problem with relying on shakes too much is that they don't fill me up at all, so I do my best to get as much from whole foods as possible to keep my cravings down.

protein is protein but meat is sooo much more tasty....its true that different protein sources give different amounts of different amino acids but in my opinion it is all relevant

Shakes are ok but as Jugget said you wont be getting aminos and other nutrients that all help your body absorb and use up the protein. Also why are you having a shake before and after your workout? Your body can only digest so much at once and I may be wrong but Im guessing that 40g-1hour-40g is going to yield little more than lots of farting and protein turds. Protein wont help you work out it helps your body build muscle after you break it down working out so keep your post shake but re-consider the pre-shake IMO

Nothing wrong with the protein IMO; what's wrong is your veggies- or lack of it. That's a pretty bland diet for cutting to me Not to mention that a leetle more variety is good for the soul..unless you do well in the same routine , which honestly some of us do.

joy division fuck reheating it, i hate it warm..just eat it cold- I bring 2 pounds of chicken breasts with me to school. Just leave it in my bag. mmmmm mmmm hehe i used to do that, but everyone would make fun of me for eating "raw chicken" idiots

protein is protein. i see nothing wrong with it. if they dont fill you up I'd buy a bucket of mass gainer and throw in a couple of scoops. thats what I do and my shakes are ~400 calories, 45 grams of protien which fill me up pretty well

I get three of my meals from shakes and oats. Hasn't stopped me yet. You can only cook and eat so much. If we all had all the time in the world to cook, eat and workout then we wouldn't need shakes. Most of us have school and work.

what happens if the majority of your protein are not from whole foods?

choo choo! get your train wreck!

choo choo! get your train wreck!

http://forums.offtopic.com/showpost.php?p=35113015 most specifically http://forums.offtopic.com/showpost....5&postcount=89

wtf

can we kill it with fire?

choo choo! get your train wreck!