Is all natural a thing of the past?

Is all natural a thing of the past?

It seems like so many people are using stuff now days. I never took anything, not even creatine. I dunno, I guess Id rather get there without using anything ya know? Im sure there are a ton of people out there who DONT use anything, it just seems like most are, ya know?

a lot of people are all natural, a lot of people juice.... either way their results are more directly correlated with their motivation and knowledge so i dont see what the big deal is

im guessing youve never used protein either and you weigh 140

Actually im 6', 220. all natural.

i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural?

Widowmaker Actually im 6', 220. all natural. % body fat?

XsLiCk i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural? you also eat food with creatine in it

XsLiCk i consider protein to be natural... i mean... you eat food with protein in it... so how is that not natural? well your body produces creatine, and testosterone, just not in the same levels as you get from supplements.

protein is something you need to build muscle, regardless if it is "natural' in your eyes....got any pics?

Honestly never check it. I can post my pic if youd like. My maxes are... Bench:260 ( i suck at bench) Squat: 450 Dead: 505

out. i routinely take bcaa's, and cycle creatine and ecy stacks here and there.

infinite loop out. i routinely take bcaa's, and cycle creatine and ecy stacks here and there. Then you still are natural

Best pic I got...

Video of 500 deadlift?

And please dont think Im knocking people who do use them or anything cuz im not.

I don't consider creatine/protein as "not natural". roids i would consider cheating.

Hip Hippo Video of 500 deadlift? This is just like racing huh, no timeslip, no care. Sorry no vids, I THINK i have one of 405 somewhere lol. But that's a far cry. I dont expect yall to believe me.

If it doesn't change hormonal levels to unhuman levels then it is natural to me and on that note, I am all natural.

Widow you are naturally big which is cool for you. A lot of people are naturally very skinny or small so its much harder to get as big as someone who has better phsycial genetics. My brother and I are opposites. We come from the same parents except he got certain traits that I didnt. He is taller, and can build muscle mass extremely quickly. He sees almost double the gains I see on the same workout programs. I have a runners body while he has a bulkers/bodylifter body. For me to see the same gains he gets I need to take in more protein and stuff like that. Also my metabolism is insane which means its very hard for me to keep any fat or weight gain while him on the other hand will keep all of his weight gain. If your body was of different gentics you would understand why people take supplements.

guestDJ Widow you are naturally big which is cool for you. A lot of people are naturally very skinny or small so its much harder to get as big as someone who has better phsycial genetics. My brother and I are opposites. We come from the same parents except he got certain traits that I didnt. He is taller, and can build muscle mass extremely quickly. He sees almost double the gains I see on the same workout programs. I have a runners body while he has a bulkers/bodylifter body. For me to see the same gains he gets I need to take in more protein and stuff like that. Also my metabolism is insane which means its very hard for me to keep any fat or weight gain while him on the other hand will keep all of his weight gain. If your body was of different gentics you would understand why people take supplements. he probably eats more than you

jonno he probably eats more than you not really. I was illustrating how some people may need more intake depending on their metabolism mainly. I need to eat 3 bigmacs while my bro needs only one type of deal.

to each their own speaking of car racing is nos cheating? what about slicks? or what about stripping the car, or what about... you get the point to each their own, I take protein now, might take creatine in a couple of month

Just do your own thing and dont care about anyone else's biznass.

personally, its natural if I can get it in my diet, , ie protein, creatine, etc. I'm pretty sure I can't get steriods or prohormones from my diet

Mass Just do your own thing and dont care about anyone else's biznass. exactly

Is all natural a thing of the past?

ATTN: Timber

ATTN: Timber

What is your ab routine? Right now I am just doing dragon flairs and V sits with shoulders and weighted side bends with arms. I think my routine might need some revision.

ATTN TIZE how many times did your mom drop you on your head?

tize 2x less than you have never been laid

tize 2x less than you have never been laid that was so funny I forgot to laugh

Mike McShit Is this McDermott with a new name?

ACURA TL-S Is this McDermott with a new name? yeah its some dumb main forum shit btw quit quoting Tize, hes on my IL for a reason.

Mike McShit Fazle changed my name. He also did this to 404notfound. Check the archives for details. Were you involved in a thread that may or may not have pertained to a masturbating rat?

ACURA TL-S What is your ab routine? Right now I am just doing dragon flairs and V sits with shoulders and weighted side bends with arms. I think my routine might need some revision. Before this week I rarely did abs. Though most of my abs workouts consisted of variations of straight legged hanging raises. This week I'm doing them with the the back support on the dipping bar, low reps but with isometric holds at various positions. I was pretty much doing alot of pullups, almost always keeping my legs parallel to the floor. What are dragon flairs?

timberwolf Before this week I rarely did abs. Though most of my abs workouts consisted of variations of straight legged hanging raises. This week I'm doing them with the the back support on the dipping bar, low reps but with isometric holds at various positions. I was pretty much doing alot of pullups, almost always keeping my legs parallel to the floor. What are dragon flairs? Intriguing, I might have to do some pullups like that. I am not a big fan of hanging leg raises as they seem to work my hip flexors more than my abs, but I do like supported leg raises (using the dip bar) especially with a DB or medicine ball between my feet. Dragon flairs are kind of tough to explain, but I will try. Lay on a bench and grab hold of it behind your head. Then lift your legs and but and thrust your legs away from your head bringing your legs back to a lying position as slow as possible. So in other words bend at the abs and use the weight and momentum of your legs to do a negative. They hurt like hell and are probably my favorite and the most difficult ab movement. There was a T-mag article a while ago that I got them from, but I can't for the life of me find it.

ACURA TL-S Intriguing, I might have to do some pullups like that. I am not a big fan of hanging leg raises as they seem to work my hip flexors more than my abs, but I do like supported leg raises (using the dip bar) especially with a DB or medicine ball between my feet. Dragon flairs are kind of tough to explain, but I will try. Lay on a bench and grab hold of it behind your head. Then lift your legs and but and thrust your legs away from your head bringing your legs back to a lying position as slow as possible. So in other words bend at the abs and use the weight and momentum of your legs to do a negative. They hurt like hell and are probably my favorite and the most difficult ab movement. There was a T-mag article a while ago that I got them from, but I can't for the life of me find it. Isn't that a dragon flag??

timberwolf Isn't that a dragon flag?? Check your pm's

ACURA TL-S Intriguing, I might have to do some pullups like that. I am not a big fan of hanging leg raises as they seem to work my hip flexors more than my abs, but I do like supported leg raises (using the dip bar) especially with a DB or medicine ball between my feet. Dragon flairs are kind of tough to explain, but I will try. Lay on a bench and grab hold of it behind your head. Then lift your legs and but and thrust your legs away from your head bringing your legs back to a lying position as slow as possible. So in other words bend at the abs and use the weight and momentum of your legs to do a negative. They hurt like hell and are probably my favorite and the most difficult ab movement. There was a T-mag article a while ago that I got them from, but I can't for the life of me find it. As I said, before working them out regularly again this week, I had noticed lately my abs being almost constantly sore despite lack of direct work. Only thing I could attribute it too is the pullups and possibly single arm pushups. Once in awhile I did like doing seated straight legged leg raises supersetted with crunches off a bench.

yeah, dragon flags



so you can target lower abs

damn why do i only have lower abs... my top two abs are the smallest... WACK... anyone have any GOOD advice

timberwolf Isn't that a dragon flag?? Damn, no wonder I couldn't find the article.

ACURA TL-S Damn, no wonder I couldn't find the article. Heh. Do you do it from a decline bench or flat? Last time I did it put alot of pain on my elbows.

I need to start whooping more ass in abs... that's a huge problem area for me

ATTN: Timber

I am immune to cutting. :wtf:

I am immune to cutting. :wtf:

I have been cutting for 2 weeks now. I have about one cheat meal per week (usually when I am out with my gf). I have had 2 alcoholic beverages in these 2 weeks. Out of the 14 days, I have been at 2500 calories/day +/- 200 calories. My diet has been basically 40-50% protein, 25% fat, and the rest carbs. I haven't lost a fucking pound. This doesn't make sense..

Ilyusha I have been cutting for 2 weeks now. I have about one cheat meal per week (usually when I am out with my gf). I have had 2 alcoholic beverages in these 2 weeks. Out of the 14 days, I have been at 2500 calories/day +/- 200 calories. My diet has been basically 40-50% protein, 25% fat, and the rest carbs. I haven't lost a fucking pound. This doesn't make sense.. how much cardio are you doing?

ummm your body wont even start to lose until its adjusts to the diet, it takes me 4 weeks to get into the burning zone. Also you have been cheating your first two weeks in and drinking? Ummm let us know when you start cutting for real

gsteclipse97 how much cardio are you doing? 1-2 times/week, ~20 mins each time. I'm easing into it..

PurEvl ummm your body wont even start to lose until its adjusts to the diet, it takes me 4 weeks to get into the burning zone. Also you have been cheating your first two weeks in and drinking? Ummm let us know when you start cutting for real I thought that as long as I keep my calories at ~12x body weight, I should be fine. That's what I've been doing, and my cheat days haven't been very bad at all (maybe 3500 calories, or maintenance). What should I do?

Ilyusha 1-2 times/week, ~20 mins each time. I'm easing into it.. i didnt see anything till i was doing at least 4 days at 30 mins. now after about 6 weeks of 5 days 30 mins weight loss has slowed. up the cardio, drop the cheat meals and alcohol if you really wanna see results. if i can do it you can, i havent drank but once this year

Ilyusha I thought that as long as I keep my calories at ~12x body weight, I should be fine. That's what I've been doing, and my cheat days haven't been very bad at all (maybe 3500 calories, or maintenance). What should I do? i would suggest lowering your cals. but thats just my opinion

gsteclipse97 i didnt see anything till i was doing at least 4 days at 30 mins. now after about 6 weeks of 5 days 30 mins weight loss has slowed. up the cardio, drop the cheat meals and alcohol if you really wanna see results. if i can do it you can, i havent drank but once this year Hmm.. well the reason I had alcohol and one of the 2 cheat days is because I had my 4 year anniversary this past weekend.. I will try and up the cardio. I haven't even had that "water weight" dramatic loss that everyone says they have in the first couple weeks.

lower callories more

vettedude lower callories more That's gonna suck.

Ilyusha Hmm.. well the reason I had alcohol and one of the 2 cheat days is because I had my 4 year anniversary this past weekend.. I will try and up the cardio. I haven't even had that "water weight" dramatic loss that everyone says they have in the first couple weeks. i didnt have any dramatic loss at all when i got goin steady, just 2lbs a week or so. try to go at least 2-3 weeks with no cheating to see if the diet etc is working correctly.

Ilyusha That's gonna suck. indeed

gsteclipse97 i didnt have any dramatic loss at all when i got goin steady, just 2lbs a week or so. try to go at least 2-3 weeks with no cheating to see if the diet etc is working correctly. Alright, I'll see if I can do that. I was aiming at 1.5-2lbs/week loss.. and I didn't even get that. It's disheartening..

Ilyusha That's gonna suck. i wouldnt lower them yet, i have been cutting at 12xbw for 6 weeks and its been fine. i think if you up the cardio to at least 30 mins 4-5 days and no cheating you will see results

Ilyusha Alright, I'll see if I can do that. I was aiming at 1.5-2lbs/week loss.. and I didn't even get that. It's disheartening.. you will if you do that, i have been except for the last 2 weeks but that was after a 12lb or so loss. liek i said if i can do it you can i have never been a lean guy and i am on my way.

gsteclipse97 i wouldnt lower them yet, i have been cutting at 12xbw for 6 weeks and its been fine. i think if you up the cardio to at least 30 mins 4-5 days and no cheating you will see results how much do u weigh? u clould be leaner than him, I am at about 228, and i dont think i am eating 2400 cals a day..

gsteclipse97 you will if you do that, i have been except for the last 2 weeks but that was after a 12lb or so loss. liek i said if i can do it you can i have never been a lean guy and i am on my way. I didn't think cardio was as important as diet, if I was pretty serious with the diet (which I think I was). I guess I have to rethink how to lose this excess weight..

Ilyusha I didn't think cardio was as important as diet, if I was pretty serious with the diet (which I think I was). I guess I have to rethink how to lose this excess weight.. i rarely do cardio...

vettedude how much do u weigh? u clould be leaner than him, I am at about 228, and i dont think i am eating 2400 cals a day.. i was at close to 230 when i started now around 215. i have been eating close to 2600+- cals a day. i didnt think the cardio was as big of deal either till someone gave me some insight and next thing you know big difference. i went from 18 to 14% bf in like 6 weeks

i am just recommending what i am doing because from seeing you it seems like you have a little more muscle mass than me but similar amount of fat and body type

gsteclipse97 i was at close to 230 when i started now around 215. i have been eating close to 2600+- cals a day. i didnt think the cardio was as big of deal either till someone gave me some insight and next thing you know big difference. i went from 18 to 14% bf in like 6 weeks I was quite a bit higher than 18% when i started...

vettedude I was quite a bit higher than 18% when i started... so was i, i was at least 30%

gsteclipse97 i was at close to 230 when i started now around 215. i have been eating close to 2600+- cals a day. i didnt think the cardio was as big of deal either till someone gave me some insight and next thing you know big difference. i went from 18 to 14% bf in like 6 weeks I'm ~235 right now, closer to 230. I'll keep going with the diet and try to add in more cardio and see if that helps.

once you get going if you have to cheat once i a while ok, but i would try very hard to not for the first 2-4 weeks so that your body can adjust

Lower calories. or Increase cardio. And what exactly are you eating? Are you keeping a food log or are you just guessing?

I am immune to cutting. :wtf:

Working back into squats

Working back into squats

I posted a couple months ago about herniated a disc in my back. Well this week I have started to squat lightly again. The following program was recommended to me by a buddy, and I have worked on it this week. Basically we rack 135 in the cage and go to town as follows: me: 1 rep him : 1 rep me: 2 reps him: 2 reps me: 3 reps him: 3 reps ----> me: 20 reps him: 20 reps It works out to over 200 reps with the only break being while my partner does his squats. We are using 135, and will move onto 185, then 225 over the next few weeks. Maybe it was because I took 2 months of squatting, but both times this week I have done this and the next 2 days its hurts when I walk and sit on the can moreso than when I was squatting 400+ at 5 reps (not that that means much). Once I build up confidence in my back I will slowly work my way down in reps and up in weight.

Isn't it fun waking up stiff and knowing it was a good workout?? Good luck!!

How'd you injure your back?

Hip Hippo How'd you injure your back? Drop squats at the end of my workout with too much weight and being too tired. I leaned forward on my toes on the catch and brought the bar up awkwardly. There was a sever pain during this.

420 reps of squats per week? good god...

Working back into squats

edmonton people -

edmonton people -

do any of you go to club fit - north side?

I got to the downtown location

katt_85 I got to the downtown location ....9 months later

lol

I haven't seen M-1000 post in this forum in forever, didn't he always have like an under arm probelm, from his deodarant or something?

edmonton people -

8 months lifting progress

8 months lifting progress

this is me after 8 months of lifting.. wondering which areas u guys think i should be concentrating on now? i know my chest definetely needs work, been slack in that area bcos of many wrist/elbow injuries that affected my pressing movements im 5'7" and around 143lb (up maybe 11lb from when i started lifting).. i dun have any starting pics of myself, but i guess i can say a few years back i had the typical skinny asian body.. still skinny now but wit a lil bit of muscle :]

eat more

Looks like you need to beating a lot more. Your chest looks like your biggeset weakness, along with your arms. Your abs could use some more work. Your back and shoulders look amazing for yoru weight.

xpinchx Looks like you need to beating a lot more. Your chest looks like your biggeset weakness, along with your arms. Your abs could use some more work. Your back and shoulders look amazing for yoru weight. But yeah, I would agree with everybody else too, you need to increase your food intake. What does your routine look like though?

you need before pics to judge 'progress' and keep eating.

eat eat eat eat

Bulking time.

chest - cable flies if you can't press

my routine is always changing to accomodate for injuries i get from breaking : i was doin westside before but the ME benching was probly too heavy on my elbow and wrists... so now i switched to more of a MAX-OT style workout i guess my back and shoulders are more developed bcos i do planches, but yeh all my other parts are pretty dismal but im definetely gonna take f&n's advice n start bulking now!

impressive lats for your size.

Good job on the lats.

8 months lifting progress

all these meet threads, where are all us brolys located? maybe i'll do an excel

all these meet threads, where are all us brolys located? maybe i'll do an excel

sheet or a page on kinggargantuan.com.dusty.old.site kinggargantuan - sterling virginia

in fact, there used to be this java app where you could input your zipcode and it'd show a dot with your name on it on a huge map of the US. mebbe we can do one of those

antioch, ca

lake jackson texas...but i'll just make it easy and say houston texas

Edwardsville, IL (Just east of St. Louis, MO)

Center Valley PA

although i dont consider myself BROLY in any way... Schleswig, Germany

FredBull although i dont consider myself BROLY in any way... Schleswig, Germany eh, there's no definition of "broly", it's just something we started because gymtime kept saying it. to me it's like saying "sup bro" bro meaning "brother" and we're all "brothers in iron" so we're all brolys. though i've never used it in public. then again i dont say "bro" in public either.

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west hartford, ct and Jaffrey, NH

FredBull although i dont consider myself BROLY in any way... Schleswig, Germany pshhhh we are all Brolys here Bmore here

St. Louis, Missouri

Rochester, NY (Sept till May) Rockland County, NY (Late May - Late August/Early Sept)

Memphis, TN

bradenton/sarasota, FL

Seattle, WA

dallas tx

Lurker111 Seattle, WA AHA!!

tize shreveport, louisiana but from the summer on ill be in austin, texas are you coming to the university of texas?

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San Francisco, CA

East Lansing, MI

gainesville/melbourne, FL

Canada, Quebec, Montreal

Columbus, Ohio <-------

all these meet threads, where are all us brolys located? maybe i'll do an excel